I see babs is back posting under some crazy name like babious or what ever and she still doesn't know what's going on. I like that idea of the tire cover that's awsome you should post a pic of it on www.jeepin.com or send a pic of it in a email to me. But I also have gotten some anti liberty stuff on my XJ now. Its not a large as the tire cover but i've gotten more feed back from random people you would never think would even know what you are talking about. I got things that go around my license plates that says "My XJ eats Jeep Liberty's." So many people have said stuff to me in parking lots and gas stations, even at stop lights sometimes. Funny thing i just read about the KJ in the JP Magazine is that the KJ looks oddly familiar to Chevron's "Freddy Four Wheeler." Just puts eyes where the lights are and a toothy grin on the grill and you have freddy four wheeler.

But on a more serious note. Of course the Liberty is going to be in the shop for all of those warranty repairs. As much as I like the ZJ and WJ grand cherokees they were always in the shop for the same reason that the KJ will be in there. The poor build quality mainly focusing on the Transmission. I have never actually read the Grands owner's manual concerning transmission fluid but i'm sure they probably say you can keep the same fluid forever and if people just would change out their fluid in the transmission they would get more than 60000 miles off of one transmission. Lets just say that the XJ is a much safer transmision because it isn't a DC parts bin transmission. Its actually a shame they didn't put it in the KJ. Sure sometimes it doesn't shift as smooth as a lexus but if you wanted it to shift smooth and silky like some euro/jap lux car you should have saved up for a payment on one of those vehicles. Of course DC says the XJ was a unrefined piece of trash that had lost its appeal, well thats funny because i also own a 97 range rover and a 95 classic range rover and those are about the most unrefined hard shifting lumberous things for how much you pay. I ended up with a 95 because when i wanted one in 93 the waiting list was 2 years long. So who says classicly designed vehicles aren't worth while or popular.

Well thats about it. Another reason why they aren't selling as many KJ's as XJ's, Fleet vehicles. The XJ was a awsome fleet, police, or forest service vehicle because it was no frills can do anything for a affordable price. I can't think of anyone who would want the bubbly girly KJ with no cargo space unless you good at stacking. I wouldn't want to scratch that pretty silver dash anyways.

SOLID AXLE FOREVER,
Griff

I just bought a Liberty... I tried everything "non-Jeep" first including Explorers, Pathfinders, XTerras, Passports, RAV4's, the baby Ford whatever its called, $Runners, and all. Liberty was the best value, best powered, best utility of all of 'em. I've run the 4Wheel Drive only a couple of times so far, but it is solid, responsive, and able to climb and ford and bump along pretty well. I wanted a Wrangler, but I use the vehicle to get around job sites and sometimes carry a couple of people and a couple hundred pounds of tools with me, so the Liberty is the best choice for me. I don't understand folks knocking the Liberty... if fills a market niche pretty well.

I think it is mostly the result of a slowing economy. I am sorry to say but I do not think we have hit bottom yet. I must say that I have very little faith in Daimler, never did. I realize this is a Jeep page but, it also bothers me that they are running the whole Chrysler group into oblivion. I have been buying
Mopar products since 1980 but, if I were buying today I seriously doubt it would
be a Chrysler, I don't know what it would be, but I don't think it would be a
Chrysler product.

Xterra...I'm with you, and everywhere I drive my 4 wheeled "banner", jeepers respond favorably. My "banner" is a huge tire cover that simply say "if it can't jeep, it's not a Jeep" and features a red circle around a KJ with a line thru it. The rear windshield has another moniker that reads "It's a Jeep thing, and Daimler doesn't understand". I can't tell you how many wrangler and Cherokee owners are beeping, giving thumbs up and pumping their fist when they see it.

This whole KJ thing is going to bite DCX in the rear once the novelty fades off of the KJ.

the one thing in questionfor jeep is quality and reliability, the number one guage of consumers of vehicle quality is: "have you had any problems with your car, which is followed either by no not any, or yea i had it in the shop 6-8 times but it was covered under warranty, but what happens when the warranty runs out, and who has time to take their car to the dealer, get a ride, drop off your car, get a ride back.......until jeep significantly reduces warrant repair events consumers will run from their products. The quick answer is: have the best factory standard warranty in the business, that is the most immediate statement to consumers that the builder believes in its product !!

here is my comment

The big 3 automakers are all hurting due to the slowdown in the US economy....but it looks like DC is really taking it on the chin and Toyota is ready to take over as number 3. It is curious to see that the Liberty is not increasing sales for DC. Instead, there were fewer Libertys sold than Cherokee's during the same month last year. There could be many reasons for this, but it looks like Chrysler's hope of having a new SUV that would out-sell the Cherokee, without discounts and incentives might have been a pipe dream. Cancelling the Cherokee, and it's proven track record with the buying public seems to be a blunder. Keeping both the Liberty and the Cherokee might have been a good choice after all, especially with sales of the Grand going into the tank!

Ha! Interesting to see that the Cherokee's 1
month sales figures from last year actually
beat the Liberty's sales figures for the same
month this year!!! Since the Liberty is now
solidly established on the market.... it is hardly
a "Big hit" .....it does look like a chunk of the
Liberty sales have come from potential Soccer
mom and Barbie Jeep ......Grand & Wrangler
TJ's sales..... so all DC has accomplished is
creating a vehicle that takes customers away
from other vehicles in its lineup. With the
backstabbing of Jeep loyalists with the
creation of the Liberty, all DC has done is start
the process of running the Jeep line into the
ground..... I am far from the only Jeep owner
who, other then my AMC JEEP CJ7, will be
moving on next year! Down with DC!!!

I don't care if we like Jeeps, Chevy's, or
Nissans........ LETS NUKE THESE
FUCKERS!!!!!!!!

I sell Jeeps and have been for 15 plus years. The Liberty is selling great. If you add the Cherokee numbers and Liberty numbers shown, they surpassed last years numbers. It is true that the Grand Cherokee sales and Wrangler sales are down. That's probably why DC lowered there prices on those for '2002. We probably won't see the results of those decreases for at least a couple of months. Jeep dealers have not really got into selling many '2002 Grand Cherokees and Wranglers yet. We are really dealing on left over '2001 Grands and Wranglers. We have some great programs on those. Here in Minnesota we have a $3500. rebate on '2001 Grand Cherokees. And on Wranglers there is a $500. rebate, or financing as low as 1.9%. Call me to take advantage of us at (800)279-5337 or (952)890-5337. Happy Jeepin!

Xterra - you are a moron. The Liberty just launched. The line rate is low.

Your Xterra has a lawnmower engine.

here is my comment: The Jeep product line looks good, but the prices are still up there as if the public couldn't get enough of the product and dealers are doing land office business with high mark-ups. Is this true, its just my observation as I've been looking at Jeeps. I like the Cherokee Classic and the Wrangler for their more reliable drive train set up and 4 wheel selection. The Liberty is probably a great hauler if the package is tall, but then I just don't care for the looks.

Man I should have waited until now to buy my wrangler. I bet the salesmen are hungry.