 Introducing the All-New 2005 Jeep® Grand Cherokee
Posted by mike on 2004/4/6 23:00:00 (1287) reads
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Official news from DaimlerChrysler
(from the official DaimlerChrysler press release) The all-new 2005 Jeep® Grand Cherokee raises the performance bar to a new level by offering improved capability and superior on-road ride and handling in a well-appointed package with a number of premium amenities. With best-in-class tractive capability and best-in-class power, the newest generation Jeep Grand Cherokee is designed, engineered and built to master every imaginable day-to-day driving condition, whether on paved or unpaved surfaces. “The Jeep Brand continues to be the only American brand dedicated solely to the sport-utility market,” said Jeff Bell, Chrysler Group Vice President – Jeep. “Customers expect every Jeep to set the standard for off-road capability, and the all-new Jeep Grand Cherokee will not disappoint. What is unexpected is that the Jeep Grand Cherokee will also be the leader in on-road performance excitement.” Class Leading 4-Wheel Drive Capabilities Three new full-time four-wheel-drive systems are available on Grand Cherokee. Quadra-Trac® I utilizes the NV140 single-speed transfer case to provide convenient full-time four-wheel drive with no transfer case lever to shift or driver interaction required. Offering a single-speed transfer case attracts a new group of buyers to the Jeep Grand Cherokee lineup and builds on the capable, entry-level, two-wheel drive versions, which currently account for approximately 25 percent of Jeep vehicle sales. Quadra-Trac® II incorporates the new NV245 transfer case that provides full-time active four-wheel drive, which anticipates and prevents wheel slip for optimum traction during a wide range of conditions. The NV245 also includes electronic shift with a true low-range gear and neutral for towing Grand Cherokee behind another vehicle. Quadra-Drive® II takes unparalleled Jeep capability to an even higher plateau using Electronic Limited Slip Differentials (ELSD) to give customers the ultimate in off-road capability. ELSD replace the Vari-Lock progressive axles used on the Quadra-Drive system from previous generation Jeep vehicles for even quicker response to changing conditions and greater torque capacity. New Engines Delivering Superior Performance For the first time ever, the 5.7-liter HEMI® V-8 engine is available on a Jeep vehicle to provide best-in-class power. Also, the 3.7-liter SOHC V-6 will replace and deliver even more peak power than the previous 4.0-liter I-6 engine in the Jeep Grand Cherokee lineup. The 4.7-liter SOHC V-8 engine will also continue to be available on Jeep Grand Cherokee. Jeep Grand Cherokee is the first sport-utility vehicle to offer the Multi-Dis-placement System (MDS). MDS deactivates half the cylinders of the 5.7-liter HEMI during cruising and light acceleration to increase fuel economy by up to 20 percent, depending on driving conditions. Ninety percent of peak torque is available from 2400 to 5100 rpm for excellent performance while trailer towing, traveling off-road as well as city and highway driving. A sophisticated Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) system tailors throttle response to pedal movement based on operating conditions, and maintains more consistent vehicle speed on rolling grades when cruise control is active than the former mechanical throttle control system. With approximately seven percent less displacement, the 3.7-liter V-6 produces more peak power than the 4.0-liter I-6 engine it replaces, while producing comparable torque. The engine also provides smoother, quieter operation, added durability, and contributes to better packaging. This engine, first introduced on Jeep Liberty and Dodge Ram models, shares many design features with the 4.7-liter Power Tech V-8 engine.
All-New Suspension and Steering System Provides Best-in-Class Ride and Handling An all-new independent front suspension provides the driver with a greater sense of precision and control, more precise steering, and reduces vehicle weight and head toss. Front suspension wheel travel is increased 13 percent over the previous generation vehicle, and a tight turning diameter of 37.1 ft. is improved over the current Jeep Grand Cherokee to provide even more nimble handling. The new five-link rear suspension geometry, including a track bar, also improves lateral stiffness to match that of the front suspension for optimum handling. The innovative Dynamic Handling System (DHS) is standard with the 5.7-liter HEMI engine – a Chrysler Group first application of a hydraulic-controlled active stabilizer system. DHS delivers a high level of driver confidence by significantly reducing body roll, resulting in sportier handling when turning or maneuvering, while providing a smoother ride when traveling straight ahead. Also offered for the first time, Electronic Stability Program (ESP) aids the driver in maintaining vehicle directional stability in severe driving maneuvers on any type of surface. Using signals from sensors throughout the vehicle, the system determines the appropriate brake and throttle adjustments for directional stability of the vehicle. Grand Cherokee’s new rack-and-pinion steering system imparts a more precise steering feel translated to the driver through fewer linkages than a recirculating ball steering system. Even with the 2.5-inch increase in track, Grand Cherokee’s nimbleness and tight turning diameter are maintained with the new steering system. All-New Five-Speed Automatic Offers Premium Refinement An all-new five-speed automatic transmission offers smooth shifts and optimum fuel economy with the 3.7-liter V-6. The carryover 545RFE five-speed automatic transmission used with the 4.7-liter V-8 and 5.7-liter V-8 HEMI has been refined for higher-quality shifts while increasing the Grand Cherokee’s maximum towing capacity. Both transmissions feature Electronic Range Select (ERS) driver interactive shift control for the first time on Grand Cherokee. The shifter provides fully-automated shifting when in the “drive” position, or the driver can manually select each gear by simply moving the shifter left and right from the “drive” position. This gives the driver control to precisely match any on-road or off-road driving requirement. A new stamped steel transfer case skid plate mounts to the transmission cross member and fuel tank skidplate to provide off-road protection to the transfer case.
Legendary Grand Cherokee Size, Styling and Comfort Grand Cherokee’s new design provides a contemporary return of an athletic appearance. Up front, the signature seven-slot grille flanked by the functional round appearance high-performance halogen headlamps boldly dominates the design statement. These round headlamps unify the unmistakable front-end appearance of the entire Jeep lineup. A proportionally longer hood and greater distance between the center of the front axle and base of the windshield visually communicates a more powerful image. A flatter windshield and faster A-pillar achieves a more athletic appearance. The overall design also helps to improve vehicle aerodynamics and vehicle fuel economy. The body is shrink-wrapped to the package, enabling designers to emphasize the powerful wheel flares. Larger taillamps in the rear feature red and clear lenses for an upscale appearance. Overall, the 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee preserves the right-size package that is critical for off-road use and provides nimble on-road handling. All-New Interior Provides Next Generation Sophistication Grand Cherokee’s new interior is rich and inviting with a two-tone instrument panel, door trim and new finishes. Seat contours are precise and ergonomic with increased seat track travel. Increased headroom adds a feeling of even more spaciousness to the interior. The dramatic and elegant instrument panel design offers a high degree of precision and control. In the cargo area, features such as a reversible load floor panel enhance versatility and storage. New premium amenities – including GPS Navigation radio, rear seat DVD, Boston Acoustics audio, UConnect™ hands-free communication system, Smart Beam® and Rear-Park Assist – will be available on the new Jeep Grand Cherokee as well. The 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee will be produced at the Jefferson North Assembly Plant in Detroit, starting in the third quarter of 2004. Assembly for markets outside North America will begin in the first quarter of 2005 at the Magna Steyr assembly plant in Graz, Austria.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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 Originally posted by: Jon After reading these posting's, I think everyone wants something different than the next guy. What does everyone want?????
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Jeeper American Expedition Vehicles has some excellent designers that I think Jeep should consider hiring
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: comment i think it looks great, what do you people want??? under the hood is great the new interior is great and the exterior is great...now all of the jeep products share the same round headlamps...i don't get all of the negative responses...what did you really expect? jeep needs to make the rescue...who do we contact to get that ball rollin??? anybody know???
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Sad Jeeper What more does this vehicle have to offer than any new SUV on the market? It certainly can’t perform any better off road with its IFS. I think the simple solid front axle is what separated it from the rest of the pretenders. Jeep’s reputation as a builder of true 4X4s is now, even more, just a thing of the past.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Hummer Trail? The "Hummer Trail" that Elizabeth Dole was refering to was probably a dirt road not worthy of the name "Jeep Trail"!
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Grand Jeeper Why all the negatives. Its reads like it will be a much improved version and a welcome one for most except maybe the hardcore jeepers. Most that buy the grands and libertys dont even take them off road but use them as daily drivers. This is why jeep went to IFS for smoother ride and drive. This will be a winner, the only negatives on it i have seen are on this site everyone ive emailed the article likes the new look. Now if they mess with the TJ thats another story.....
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Bowser I read over your responses quickly so I might have missed something...
But did anyone else notice that it looks like the rear axle is independent as well??? Or, that nearly everything is electronic now, instead of mechanical? The transfer case lever is now a switch, and the Vari-Loks are now replaced with electronic LSDs? What the heck is that all about?
Oh, and I noticed a response about the GC looking a lot like the older Durango. I think it's a cross between that and a Cadillac SUV - the point is is it's not even a Jeep anymore. DC is listening to Mitsubishi Motors and its other allies /way/ to closely when they should be listening to the fans and the people who actually buy these vehicles! DC, there is a reason I buy a Jeep instead of a Toyota, Nissan, or Mitsubishi and that is because it is an original American company and not a cheapish copy of one.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: SmallPenisGuy I am offended that you would suggest that I would drive a POS Hummer. I prefer my vehicle to be an off-roader, not a status symbol.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: WK Rules My thoughts exactly Jeeper. These "so-called" die-hards need to give progress a chance! I have heard the same crap about how every new Jeep since the YJ was going to spell the end of Jeep. I am a die-hard Jeeper. I own a CJ-2A and a WJ and have owned YJ, TJ, XJ and ZJ in the past and am planning to own a Rubicon in the near future. I am in the 10% of owners who actually take their Jeeps off-road. I love the new look on the WK and I don't see anything in the specs to suggest its off-road ability will be any less than the current WJ. The round headlights look great, it gives it a true Jeep look. I can't wait to see them in person at Camp Jeep this year!
BTW 2000GC Owner - The brake issues have supposedly been fixed since the 2003s. I had a 2000 WJ and had the same problem, I now have a 2004 and have had no brake trouble!
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: one more comment This group is a passionate one and it has a strong, important voice, but it isn't the voice of the typical consumer. If you don't build SUVs that appeal to the public, you don't make money. If you don't make money, the brand dies. Are you really willing to sacrifice the Jeep brand for the sake of maintaining the "Jeep" image?
I hope the new Grand Cherokee is a huge success. If it's not, the Jeep brand takes a far bigger hit than anything you've complained about here.
I don't disagree with your passion for the "true" Jeep, but if the brand can't grow and adapt to survive, then it will die, and it will take with it the TJ and every other great Jeep tradition.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: comment touche' jon!!!
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Originally posted by: porshaman DC: Congradulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have succeeded in turning a capable off road performer into a capable on road Mercedes "J" class. Keep up the good work and you will make the entire Jeep line mediocre like the rest of the DC product line. Nice going Dieter, you have angered the AMC gods which has spelled the untimely end of a Jeep loyalist like myself. I guess I better get me a Rubi before it becames sanitized/sterlized/castrated....
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: 90 Sahara 92 Cherokee 00 Grand Cherokee It's a shame about the live axle getting tossed, and an answer to 00 Grand Cherokee about 4 sets of brakes, Jeep has revised brake calipers to eliminate the brake pulsation.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: RealJeepOwner another example of DC milking the Jeep name to death. Might be a nice rig, but it ain't a Jeep.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Clap-Trap IFS and no I-6 - two more nails in the coffin. It's a sad day. Look out TJ, your time is short.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Bowser Well, I might be mistaken . . . but in response to the independent suspensions on different vehicles . . .
Doesn't the former Jeep Cherokee (with full solid axles) have better articulation, at least on the RTI, than the AM Hummer, and the Toyota Range Rover, who both have independent suspensions? I know it won't prove much, but I guess it's still a point that solid axles can have more advantages than its counter.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Real Jeeps Have Round Headlights I don't know what you people are looking at? The front end looks great! I love the round headlights and vertical grille, now the Grand, for the first time, looks like a Jeep! To use a saying from the days of the old YJ's and XJ's... Real Jeeps Have Round Headlights!!!!
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Concerned The front end looks horrible. What were the designers thinking? It looks somewhat scary.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Joe Smoe The fact that this GC is probably foreshadowing the end to the 4.0L and solid axle in the Wrangler is the saddest part of the story. This German guy really is doing a bang up job destroying the Jeep brand. At least we can all smile knowing how much better the Americans (i.e. GM / Hummer) are doing. I actually heard Elizabeth Dole comment on a "Hummer" trail recently, instead of the ago old term; "Jeep" trail.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Hah... " If anyone desires to counter this, just look at the specifications of the all-independent Range Rover and/or Hummer H1 (even ATVs for that matter) and any skepticism should be lessened. "
This is the dumbest statement made thus far, and shows the poster of this to be ignorant -or intentionaly trying to mislead.
First, the suspension of the HMMWV has *nothing* to do with the design of SUV's like the Liberty. It is a unique system that utilizes hub reduction gearing. The only thing it has in common with publicly-available IFS systems in the U.S. (other than the H1) is the word "independent."
As for the IFS Range Rover... you're insane if you think one can hang with a Defender or a Wrangler and you're foolish if you try to take one off-road.
IFS is inherently inferior for off-road purposes, and the reasoning is quite simple: less articulation, less real-world clearance, and more opportunity for breakage with IFS (two or more knuckle joints per side).
DC are hedging their bets... they recognize this and all of their marketing now cites "best in class." They simply want to be "more capable" than their competitors. In other words... "good enough" to have bragging rights over a Honda
V. BFD.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: rb who cares if they made improvements under the hood or if
they wrecked it by using ifs. the main issue here is that the
appearance of the jeep brand vehicles is what makes them
their brand, not the guts. the majority of people know
absolutely NOTHING about the difference between IFS and
anything else. They don't even know who the VP of the USA
is today. The truth is, this doesn't look much like a jeep
and the entire front end is a hideous mistake. i wouldn't
want to be seen in one of those every day on the road.
period. i think they need to quit sharing designers between
dodge and jeep and get their sh!t on track ASAP.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: WTJ I initially thought the Hummer H2 displayed the most silly, child-like front-end design of all the 4X4s currently in production. However, the front-end design of the new Jeep Grand Cherokee surpasses the H2’s in regards to its lack of sophistication and style. This is only my own subjective opinion, though, but I believe the DaimlerChrysler Jeep designs – excluding the classic Wrangler – have lacked the seriousness which made Jeep 4X4s appealing to buyers in the first place.
The good news with this new model, in particular, is the addition of the 5.7 liter Hemi with the cylinder deactivation feature. I also believe the on-road ride will be more comfortable and precise than that of the outgoing model due to its independent-front suspension and rack-and-pinion steering. I do not feel the independent-front suspension with be a detriment off-road with the model(s) equipped with the Quadra-drive II four-wheel drive system – technologically, it is superb.
With the exception of the front-end styling, the new Grand Cherokee is vastly improved over its predecessor and will likely be superior to everything in its class both on-road and off-road (excluding the new Land Rover LR3, though).
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Jason The 2005 Grand Cherokee is sure to be a hit!!! They fixed everything that was wrong about the Grand cherokee. More pure jeep styling,but as well more refined and upscale. Hemi... Need I say more!!!!
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: BSmith Checking out the (very nice) wkjeeps.com photos, did you notice this low, rear-quarter shot? http://www.wkjeeps.com/photos/2005_wk_22.jpgWhat is that part hanging down under the front suspension?? It looks to run between the front wheel hubs and can't be much more than 5 inches off the ground. Is this a feature of the new IFS? No longer any worries of smashing the trannie or rear pumpkin out on the trail? The IFS now serves as a sacrificial early-warning system? IMHO the 2005 interior and exterior seems to look a little more down-market than previous models. Kind of a blend between a late model Explorer and a Durango. I really want to like it, but it's going to take a while. /buys a new GC Overland every 3 years, wondering if it's time to switch? (but to what?) |
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Jeeper Did anyone see the new 2005 Jeep Liberty on Jeep.com?
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: jacktowncrawler here is my comment
I was hoping it would look like the commander concept. It does for the most part with different lights. I am not partial to the lights, but they may grow on me once I see them in person
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Originally posted by: Wyatt here is my comment
The interior looks good. The HEMI is good. The headlights like like crap but so did the previous headlights on the G. Cherokee.
In my opinion, they could have designed this thing a lot better.
The Rescue and the Unlimited/Wrangler look like Jeeps and actually inspire me to go out to a dealer and take a look.
The new G. Cherokee looks like it was designed someone who didn't know how to use Photoshop.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Jon What do people want!!!
The Grand Cherokee is just evolving as most other vehicles do. Hopefully when they come out with a new model they improve on things from the previous model. Sometimes styling gets better and sometimes it dosen't. Oh course looks are just a matter of opinion anyway. A new Hemi sounds good along with a new and more powerfull and fuel efficient V6 is a good thing.
The SUV market is a very competive one and if you don't have good product your going to lose. The current GC was needing updating and that's what they have done. I think styling wise it's much closer to what a Cherokee would look like now if they still were making XJ's. I like the looks!
I bet most of you complaining aren't in the Grand Cherokee market anyway.
The Grand Cherokee isn't a vehicle designed to compete with the Hummer. The Hummer is much larger and is marketed to guys with a small penis.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Jeeper What does hummer have to do with it? The WK is aimed at a different, larger market which is where the WK should be aimed. Not at some oversized gas guzzling off roader. The WK is a smart move, as it will be an obvious class leader, which is where a Jeep should be. The IFS was inevitable, along with the round headlights, so why are people upset over change? It has the QuadratracII t-case, off road skids, a 354 hp HEMI, more advance limited slip, what else do you want? It seems every time a new model comes out with new features, people are so quick to downplay. Give it a chance, will ya?!? plus check out the pics on WKJeeps.com, they give a much better overview.
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Originally posted by: Reader I love the new engine options, the transfer case options (QuadII with low range), the more advanced limited slip difs,... etc. Although it has the IFS, I think overall its an improvement over the WJ and I would buy one.
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Originally posted by: reply the pics on the site from wkjeeps give a better look. i think it brings continuity to the brand w/ the grills & headlamps being similar to each other. i think it looks great and the engines avaiable sound even better. now we just need dc to come up with another 4+ vehicles in the next YEAR and jeep could be off and running.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: JASON Is it just me or does this look like the old Dodge Durango with a new front end ?
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Here is my comment Wow, looks like even more of an uninspiring station wagon then it already did. They should be making the Dakar and Rescue, and instead we get the Liberty and this. No wonder the Wrangler has the best numbers.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: ScramblerKen As most of us predicted, the Next Generation Grand (WK) has gone IFS. Also notice the old I-6 4.0 liter is not offered, but Liberty’s V-6 takes it’s place. Well, as Dieter said, "nobody cares what's underneath". I guess as long as it has a 7 slot grill, it will be called a Jeep.
Now has anyone noticed that the ‘K’ factor is the kiss of death to solid axle? The Liberty is IFS and it is known as the KJ. The new Grand is the WK. Oh no, the next generation Wrangler is code named TK. Must be the ‘K’raut factor!
Sadly, how long before the I-6 is dropped from the Wrangler? Will they let it stay around until the next generation Wrangler (2007), or will 2004 be the last year for the old beast?
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Originally posted by: Claudia Does anyone know if you can get the 05 Laredo with Selec Trac? I have had one with Quad Trac...horrible. I know a lot of people who are not getting new Laredos because of the lack of Selec trac.......
It's the 5th month of 05 and traveling on the highway 60 miles a day I've seen one 05 grand cherokee......sales must be down.....big mistake taking the "sport look" out of the grand ..I've been driving Jeeps for 21 years...my 2003 Laredo might be my last.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: GO JEEP Oh well guys, I guess the answer is if you don't like it, don't buy one.
Your XJ's will rust out someday and then what will you do?
Some Jeep people just don't like anything new or change.
They build the Wrangler, which no one else builds anything close to it and yet everyone instead sits around and bitches about what DC "might or might not" do with the next generation. Just enjoy what we have available to us now and not get so hung up on the future.
The new Grand looks nice and I am sure they will sell a bunch which is what we want them to do to keep the company healthy. Only a company that is doing well will continue to build low volume niche vehicles. Some of the Jeeps people want built I consider niche vehicles. The Rescue would do very well but would be a low volume vehicle.
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Originally posted by: reaction These Jeep front ends look as silly as the new BMW’s designed by Chris Bangle. The GC should look more conservative and classy. Leave the odd-looking “intimidation factor” design for Hummer’s new offering. The round headlights look best on the TJ, only. On every other model they just look out of place. In my opinion, the GC would look better with headlights like those incorporated on the Commander concept.
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Originally posted by: 2002 Grand Jeep Owner I don't like the new front end on the grand jeep. It's ugly. Some of the new stuff under the hood looks good. To bad for the people that will own the 2005. They will be driving an ugly jeep.
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Originally posted by: Wyatt here is my comment
"I don't know what you people are looking at? The front end looks great! I love the round headlights and vertical grille, now the Grand, for the first time, looks like a Jeep! To use a saying from the days of the old YJ's and XJ's... Real Jeeps Have Round Headlights!!!! "
Too bad the new round headlights on the Jeep Grand Cherokee look like they belong on a Mercedes. And the round headlights on the Mercedes G-Class belong on the Jeep.
As for the solid axle versus IFS argument. It's great if new technology makes IFS is as good as solid axle. The problem is that all those technologies probably make it easier to break and more expensive to fix.
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Originally posted by: overland here is my comment
you would think they'd have xenon lights by now or at least projector headlights.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Jeeper I agree with Grand Jeeper. I can see Jeep wanting to refine the performance and appearence of the WK and KJ, which have been positive improvements from my point of view. But the only positive direction I can see them taking the TJ would be towards Rescue styling, maintaining the fold down windshield, removable top and doors, and solid front and rear axles, and possible a diesel engine. I often wonder if the Rescue styling was aimed more so at the future Wrangler than a full-sized Jeep.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Bowser Good observation Wyatt. It also means that it could be harder to work on.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: WTJ The only point I was trying to make concerning independent suspensions (front and/or rear) is that they have been effective off-road ONLY with the inclusion of modern technologies. For example, if the (1) sophisticated four-wheel drive systems, (2) electronic traction control systems, and/or (3) cross-linking air suspensions - which mimic the motions of solid axles – are taken away, then, of course, an independent suspension-equipped 4X4 will not perform comparably to that of a traditional solid axle-equipped 4X4. With that being said, I believe the new Grand Cherokee will perform favorably because it does utilize the modern technologies which do make independent suspensions capable off-road to a certain degree. Granted, solid axles are beautiful in their absolute simplicity of design.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Wyatt here is my comment
The new Jeep Liberty Renegade grill and smaller headlights are an improvement.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: BSmith Ditto what Bowser said.
And what's with the spare tire UNDER the vehicle? And are the door pulls now lift-handles?? (can't tell from the photos)
I understand DC is shooting for the main-stream soccer-mom demographic here. But removing all the bright colors and sharp edges so as to not scare the children is a bit much.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Jeffrey L. Edgett Obviously the new design is not going to appeal to everyone. It is impossible to please everyone. The Grand Cherokee is marketed as a luxury SUV and to compete in that market they have to change with the times. This is not out of Jeep's character. The Grand Wagoneer of well over a decade ago was aimed at this same market. It could hold its own off-road but thats not where you see them these days.
There is nothing wrong with Jeep staying in this market. I currently own a 2001 Cherokee (XJ) and plan to also buy a WK this fall.
However, I feel that Jeep should expand back into the area left void when production of the Cherokee ceased. Perhaps they could do this by bringing back a slightly refreshed version of the Cherokee or bringing something like the Dakar into production.
I also think that designers should be very careful as they think up concepts for the future of Wrangler.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: rb oh my god. they've trashed the front end and made it look
like the liberty. i think i'm gonna puke.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: overland here is my comment
you would think they'd have xenon lights by now or at least projector headlights.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Reader A lot of people with negative comments, what would those people do with the nearing out-of-date WJ? Keep it the same and watch the nameplate dissolve in the coming years? or get rid of it all together? The WK, with the HEMI and Quadradrive, 13 inches of wheel travel and advanced limited-slip control, has the horse power and the four wheel drive technology that make it as Jeep as a Jeep can get.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: WTJ Currently, independent suspensions (front and/or rear) are not as great a detriment off-road as most individuals would have one believe. With advancements in four-wheel drive, traction control, and suspension technologies (particularly, through cross-linking mechanisms), independent suspensions can perform equal to or better than their beam axle counterparts. If anyone desires to counter this, just look at the specifications of the all-independent Range Rover and/or Hummer H1 (even ATVs for that matter) and any skepticism should be lessened.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: ben here is my comment
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OVERLAND MODEL?
Seams it will be discontinued, read this on wkjeeps.com features section.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Matt Did anybody notice that the IFS has "13% more wheel travel" than the solid axle suspension? That is real off-road innovation to be able to make an IFS that flexes more than the live axle. Give Jeep a break already!
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Buyer It looks good and I will purchase one when they hit the showroom. Much improved over the older model....
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: CJ2WK Thank you for providing this information about and asking for
a reaction to a passion of mine.
I am disappointed with the new styling and suggest it smacks of
a hybrid not a thoroughbred. The new Hemi engine features
excite me. So do the transmission and suspension
improvements. I look forward to driving them. Having imported
my GPS equipment into vehicles for years via cumbersome
laptop and now a handheld, the full-featured built-ins are
tantalizing addition.
Maybe four out of five ain't bad.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Boooo!!! Looks a little like a hummer from the rear end. But hey.. a staion wagon is a station wagon!
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Jeeper Bowser, the WK has a solid rear axle.
I correct my previous statement, the 5.7 HEMI produces 325hp. Jeep.com has a large section on the NY Autoshow and other new vehicles.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Bill A pathetic attempt at replacing a vehicle that should have been replaced long ago.
Sadly, Hummer has nothing to worry about here.
I'm depressed at the path in which Jeep is headed down.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: epic There's not much to say about that, but its too bad, its just sad. After all this time, this is what they come up with?
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: 2000GC Owner It doesn't say if they addressed the Brake Problems. I have had 4 sets of Brakes and Roters installed on my 2000 Grand Cherokee and it seems that every 10,000 - 15,000 I am having to do it all over again! What's up with that?????
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: reply the pics on the site from wkjeeps give a better look. i think it brings continuity to the brand w/ the grills & headlamps being similar to each other. i think it looks great and the engines avaiable sound even better. now we just need dc to come up with another 4+ vehicles in the next YEAR and jeep could be off and running.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Taz I have to say 13% more wheel travel? That would be great if you had any ground clearance. I am the owner of a WJ, and was hoping they would produce something a little more geared towards offroading. My WJ spends over 60% of its time off the road. I like to wheel with a bit of comfort. Mine is not a daily driver, but I like the fact that I can do 80 down the highway to the trail. Poor guys driving TJ can't do that. I wanted something that would make the H2 POS look like the junk it is. What happened Jeep? did you just roll over and die? Going to sue Hummer again to try to make a point thats not there? You really needed to step up, not back. I am totally discussed. The Hemi? Would have been nice if you really had the rig to put it in. Get the picture DC, these are Jeeps, not Cadilacs.
Proud owner of my 5th Jeep. But looks like it will be my last new one.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Jeepman Porshaman:
My point was that the new WK is no softer than the previous WJ. If people wanted to squeeze out some capable off-road performance from the WJ, they had to invest some serious money. Yes it has the live front axle whos suspension is easier to modify, but according to the DC release, the WK has 13% more front wheel travel than the WJ even with the IFS. I feel the WK is just as capable as the WJ in stock form and that the only softening thats going on is the improved on-road ride, which isnt a bad thing.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: XJ Yeah it's a disappointing offering. I expect to see Jeep loose even more brand image to Hummer.
PLEASE GOD LET THEM MAKE THE RESCUE AND KILL THE GRAND CHEROKEE LINE! IT SEEMS THAT WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS ALL WHEEL DRIVE STATION WAGON!
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Scott While I'm new to the world of Jeep (a 2003 GC) I'm not new to the auto industry.
First, the corporation, any of them, is there to make money for investors. They do that by selling their vehicles to as many people as possible. That said, they will design what pleases the most people. Is the 2005 GC perfect, probably not but, it will please many and some of those will be current owners of competitive vehicles.
Will the new front suspension work as well as the former, perhaps not in all situations but, in enough of them that most will be happy.
If you really want to complain about the new Jeep, how about their dropping the old I-6 in favor of the Liberty's V-6? More HP and more torque? True, but at sky high RPM's. I wouldn't try towing with the 3.7 no matter how light the load.
Bottom line says DC had to build a Jeep that would attract customers, new as well as old. I'll wait and give this new GC the benefit of the doubt until I've seen it and had a chance to drive one. If I don't like it then, I can always get one of the last 2004 models.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Jeepman Porshaman- I didnt think you could get a Mercedes with a Hemi and Quadradrive...
The only thing that is inherintly different from the WJ is the IFS... Besides a few dimensional and asthetical changes its still the WJ we all know and love except with many more horses and a more advanced 4WD system. Why arent you prazing this vehicle?
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: JeepFAN Overall: Disappointment.
Independant Front Suspension = Marginal on road comformt improvement but a severe negative for off-roadability.
VERY BLAND LOOKS
Why does Diamler Chrysler assume that just because consumers are buying a larger SUV that they will except diminished off-road capability?
I realize that few Grand Cherokee owners take their Jeeps offroad, but I do, and I suspect many of them buy them because they expect to have that ability and isn't what Jeep is renowned for?
This seems to be a pattern/model following in Hummmer's H2 vein. Repackage one of your products (Tahoe/Yukon platform)with another line's looks (Hummer) and call it a different vehicle. It dosen't matter to them that they are watering down the soul and reason for their brand identity.
I have own 4 Jeeps in my lifetime, 2 cherokee's, 1 Grand Wagoneer and 1 Grand Cherokee (current)
This has really discouraged me as this was what I had planned for my next vehicle purchase.
God forbid I am forced to buy an import, but really: Is Jeep still an American brand or is it the forgotten step son of a heartless multinational corporation with no respect for its brand, it's core buyers, or its legacy?
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: JT I can't wait for the 2005 to come out... then I get a good deal on a better looking 2004!!!! The 2005 is disappointing.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Wheel Travel Taz,
For someone who spends 60% driving off-road I have to wonder what you do off-road? Every off-roader knows that wheel travel is far more important than ground clearance. You should always put your tires on the rocks not straddle them. duh!
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Originally posted by: in the biz... way to go one more comment..
for those of us in the jeep business...it's been a REALLY TOUGH few years, with more on the horizon if jeep doesn't come up with the right mix of vehicles soon. the new gc is where we need to be but the public will still be crying for a 7 passenger (contrary to what dc has you believing) and an ultra luxury to satisfy the market we used to have of the professionals. they have moved on to the x5 and range rover. the tj will always be the tj , but it doesn't put food on my table...
make your complaints, desires and dreams known to dc....if we yell loud enough they may hear!
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Originally posted by: D Moore I have always been an extreme Jeep loyalist. Like most everyone else....I have been fuming about the direction of the Jeep brand. The only recent sign of promise has of course been the Rubicon. We have also seen the Rescue which looks very promising. The best thing that has ever happened to Jeep is Hummer. The Hummer brand has forced Jeep to re-evaluate their direction in attempt to keep the title of "the original and only real 4X4 on the market". I currently have a 2002 Grand Cherokee and yes I have had the brake problems like everyone else. I will have to say, however, that the 4WD system is the best I have ever seen for it's intended use. Snow, ice, or mud have never been able to stop it. Boulder basher it is not but I don't think any of us could try to pretend that this was the intended use for the vehicle. The Grand Cherokee is designed to give the driver/owner a vehicle that offers luxury, room, and a good daily driver that won't be stopped by your average off road adventure or bad weather situation. Anything more than that needs to be turned over to the Rubicon or maybe the upcoming Rescue. If the new Quadra Drive is better then the one they have now then it will be truely awesome. I like the looks of the new GJ and I realy can't wait for the larger vehicle with 3rd row seats that is supposed to be on the way. It will keep me from having to look at a Suburban, Tahoe, or some other larger SUV. Let's give Jeep some room. They have to sell vehicles and target a broader market. Lets face it...everyone is wanting a vehicle that rides like a Cadillac and handles off road situations like an old Willys. You can't have both but I think Jeep is genuinely doing it's best to provide something that will come as close as possible to providing these cross over capabilities. As long as they keep offering both something civil for the masses and real Jeeps for us Jeepers then they will be fine. I think Hummer and Land Rover will be keeping them on their toes for the future and yes....I think when it all washes out Jeep will be the one on top.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: porshaman Jeepman:
You obviously missed my point. My point is DC with heavy influence from the "D" part have continued to "soften" the Jeep line. IMO that puts you head to head with the likes of let me think... EVERYBODY. The Jeep line has always been innovative producing go ANYWHERE vehicles. I bought a CJ5 in 1976 for that very reason. I cannot speak for everyone but I believe alot of folks bought a Jeep "cause it takes a liken' an keeps on ticking". You want an AWD vehicle buy a Pacifica. BTW "prazing" is spelled praising.
In the biz:
Give the loyalist vehicles worthy of the Jeep badge and they will buy.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Wyatt here is my comment
20 years ago, Jeep could 'make it' by offering just 3 vehicles because the competition only offered one or two SUVs at most. Many of the other companies didn't even offer 4x4s in 1984.
Now the market is full of 4x4s so what does Jeep need to do to survive? I think the answer is quite simple if you follow the HUMMER model. GM did something bold with HUMMER by offering a 4x4 that is different from all the rest. Just listen to their tag line. We all know that the H2 is just a dressed up GMC that can't compete with Jeep on the trails but does the public know that? Do they even care? People just want to be in a unique ride for the most part. They just want to 'look cool'.
HUMMER sold a ton of vehicles at 50k a pop. How many more would they have sold if they offered a 30k vehicle with the same styling? A ton (in my opinion).
What Jeep needed to do with the GC was to set it apart from the competition. They needed to not be afraid to take a chance. Instead they played 'not to loose' by offering a vanilla SUV with IFS that is 'just good enough'. I'm sure, it will be a decent SUV for on-roading and you will be able to take it off-road. But the reality is that it is nothing special amidst the sea of SUVs out there.
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Posted: 1969/12/31 18:00 Updated: 1969/12/31 18:00 |
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Originally posted by: Jon
What is so different now than Jeep in 1984? They had the CJ/Wrangler, Grand Wagoneer and the new XJ. I am guessing that the Grand Wagoneer(twenty year old design) wasn't what "True" Jeeper wanted. The XJ was probably considered downsized and small and not a "True" Jeep. so that leaves the CJ/Wrangler which there was much debate on whether the new Wrangler was a "True" Jeep as the old CJ. That debate as been going on for years. I think Jeep was also making the J10 pickup(also a twenty year old design) too but it got lost in the crowd of fullsize pickups and as a result didn't sell many.
I guess I don't see where Jeep's current offerings is that much different than when AMC owned them. At what point in the last 20 years was Jeep making a perfect lineup that everyone agrees on? If Chrysler hadn't bought AMC for Jeep then that very well could of been the end of Jeep. If DC hadn't bought Chrysler(who wasn't doing very well) that very well could of been the end of Jeep again.
I think the current Jeep lineup may not be the exact products everone wants, but I think it is probably the best selection they have had for many years.
Just my opinion.
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Originally posted by: mjjohn here is my comment The group has a strong voice that falls on deaf ears. AS FAR AS THE BRAND NOT MAKING ANY MONEY. They made money since it's birth, and made money for AMC, the French, and Chrysler. It's only now that it is going in a different direction with our new leadership. Time will tell if the faithful will leave the Brand.
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Originally posted by: UmmHmmm I must say it looks very close to the GMC Envoy, which is a nice vehicle but is not a jeep. The grand has been transformed into a more street refined around town vehicle. It will be interesting to see how AEV and others turn this into an offroad machine.....
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Originally posted by: Confuse where have all the good designers gone? I guess to General Motors. Tom Gail gave vision,but now we get boring. The back end is a carpenter's dream flat as a board. The side profile is flat with out any creases. The spare tire was relocated from inside to outside. Why? I think Diamler should bring some fresh blood into the design center right away. I cant wait until 2012 for the next GC hopefully it will be better.
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Originally posted by: sam Jon- Ive been reading your postings for some time now and I dont think you have any room talking about people who bitch and moan. I quote "if Jeeps were large,I for one wouldnt be driving one". In other word if Jeep doesnt make exactly what I want, how I want it & sell it for what I willing to pay for it, Im goig home and not playing with Jeep anymore.Hopefully some of you folks will someday be able to see beyond your selves and not bitch when someone else gets something in a Jeep that they want.Wake up,thats what broadening the Jeep line is all about.Jeep needs to appeal to a broader range of people to stay in business.Jeep is trying to assure their off roading people that their still making that kind of product thru this trail rated system.This will also allow them to make other vehicles that are not.Just look at GMC and how sucessful they have been with broadening their line.GMC is and will continue to be a tuff truck . The fact that they make a van doesnt change that.Its fine to let Jeep know what we want in a vehicle but lets remember it takes all of us to make Jeep sucessful.
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Originally posted by: Jon If Hummers are so much better than the current Jeeps then I would assume you guys would all be buying one. Why would you continue to buy a brand that you so much hate???
I am confused. You guys bitch and moan at everything Jeep does so why do you keep buying them? It sounds like Hummer would be the way to go, I hear they don't have any quality problems either, HA HA!
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Originally posted by: XJ Yeah it's a disappointing offering. I expect to see Jeep loose even more brand image to Hummer.
PLEASE GOD LET THEM MAKE THE RESCUE AND KILL THE GRAND CHEROKEE LINE! IT SEEMS THAT WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS ALL WHEEL DRIVE STATION WAGON!
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Originally posted by: Bill Jeeper,
What this new vehicle has to do with Hummer is this: This is Jeep's most expensive and audience appealing vehicle. Jeep is steadily losing market share to the competition, and now now has lost its place (to Hummer) as the premier American 4x4 as far as the market and general buyer concensus is concerned. I personally don't agree but I'm just one guy. Jeep needs to send a message to the market as bold and daring as Hummer has done with the H2 if they are to even attempt to regain their place as the world's best and coolest 4x4 manufacturer. Personally, I don't see the appeal to the H2, I do see it for the H1 however. The H2 is a massively overpriced, low quality GM parts bin monstrosity. Now with the H2 SUT coming and possibly an H3 with the way cool H3T variant Jeep needs to hit the ground with some seriously capable and cool responses, the new GC is not that cool it is too much like the model it replaces, I think it should have been radically different. Although I do like the direction that the new front end is heading in.
Bill
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Originally posted by: jon I like the new GC. I think it looks like what would of been the next Cherokee (XJ) had they continued to build it. I have to keep reminding everyone that the original GC was supposed to be a replacement for the XJ but since the XJ was selling so well they made both. The new GC is very Jeep looking in my opinion. I think some might even say it's kind of sqauare(in a Jeep kind of way).
I know everyone out there keeps comparing Jeep to Hummer and thinks Jeep should build a Hummer type vehicle which would be fine but how many really want to drive that large a vehicle around on a daily basis? If wouldn't fit down most trails, would it still be Trail Rated? I for one love my Jeeps but it is not about size and if Jeeps were that large, I for one wouldn't be driving one.
Let's see how popluar Hummers continue to be if gas prices hit $3 a gallon. I believe that Hummers are going to be the posterchild for large, inefficent excessive gas guzzlers. Jeep can ride this out and like the previous posting stated will be better in the end.
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Originally posted by: GREAT The grand looks great, the interior is terrific and I bet the ride will be great also. Sign me up for one, maybe two....one with the Hemi oh yes..........
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