p.s. Who's this GunnEM guy? For ONCE, somebody on this site is making some sense!!!!

STOP THIS THREAD NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mIKKEEEE!

Contras?...Ummm. well, I don't recall...
No, I don't recall. Nancy? Have you seen Bonzo??

Actually for the parents just starting with their first newborn.."Koch's Golden Anniversary" is much cheaper...Pabst is upscale 'round these woods...jes like dem toyoter R A V 5's....

... and a open can of Pabst and let go on their way.

One more for the use of the 2nd Amendment, might have prevented this this tragedy.

GunnEm, you're an idiot. Nothing personal (I don't even know you), but you're using a tragedy like this to promote concealed carry laws? You should be ashamed.

Please explain a scenario where this tragedy could have been avoided by a conceal/carry law? Furthermore, from reports this wacko would have been allowed to get a permit under most states' laws that have concealed carry in place.

Right On Jay!! Dunno know what that sicko was sayin.....haha!


To respond to "Gun Advocate"...
I AM one of those left-wing pinko whatever you callems..and I don't own a gun and feel NO NEED TO.....Can't we all just drive Jeeps?

OnlyOneJeep,
WAKE UP!!!!! part of Firearm ownership goes HAND AN HAND with your Jeep Ownership.

First the Left Wing Liberals will take your Guns then they will take you "Urban Assault Vehicles" aka Jeeps/SUV's As called by the "Honorable" Sentator Ted Kennedy.

Wake up, the 2nd amemdendment allows all other Rights and Freedoms to exist!!!!

Frank B

Sounds like it may be time to allow NATIONWIDE CONCEALED CARRY for all law-abiding citizens in The United States of America...

Gun Control would not have worked in this situation...

Sounds like this guy was hell-bent on hurting someone, and would have used a baseball bat, a jerry-can full of gasloine, a pipe bomb, or would've just plain run them over in his car to acomplish his twisted task...

My condoleces also to the victims and their families...The workplace is no place for violence, it's time for Americans to be allowed to defend their lives and the lives of others by using up to and including deadly force if necessary...

Our family here in New England sends our condolences to those who were injured and to the family of the slain man. It hurts to hear such stories. Our Family plans to drive our 4 Jeeps with the headlights on Friday as a gesture of respect for those involved. Whatya say everyone?..Let's blaze our lights Friday...........

For once, I agree with OnlyOneJeep. Please keep this site about Jeeps.

Big Chuck probably thinks he IS the president!..yuk!
yuk!

GunnEm#3, did you see any black helicopters with search lights outside your window last night. We are looking for you!

DontGunnEM...In response to...

"pssst... Ohio does have an "active" concealed carry law."

Obviously, Ohio's concealed carry law is not strong enough to over-ride corporate policy...

Many corporations do not allow firearms to be carried on corporate private property, and many do not even allow firearm owners to store their firearm in their vehicles parked on corporate property, meaning that unless they park their cars off-site, they cannot carry a firearm while at their place of employment, anyway, nullifying Ohio's "active concealed carry law"...

I don't know what Daimler's policy on bringing a LEGALLY owned, registered and carried firearm onto corporate property is...but I can only guess.

NYPDSGT and all the other Pro-Freedom, Pro-Democracy, and Pro-2nd Amendment guys and gals, thanks for backing me up on this one...

I am a law enforcement officer also, and I know for a fact that Law Abiding Citizens will always abide by the law, and Law-Breaking individuals will always brak the law...plain and simple.

It is up to those of us who choose to live within the laws of society that must protect the innocent. If gun control laws do not apply to criminals, because they choose to ignore the law, then they should not apply to law-abiding citizens either.

And yes, Jeeps and Firearms do go hand in hand, because the forces that want to disarm American Citizens are the same forces that want to take away your Jeep, the trails and OHV areas that you drive your Jeep, and ultimately your very control over the driving of your Jeep, and for that matter, your freedom to travel freely about the country, through tracking devices, checkpoints, and remote vehicle disabling systems (yes they are out there, or will be soon).

Mabye the government should spend more time and less money cultivating responsible, law-abiding citizens, rather than spending even more time and even more money finding ways to supress the rights of the majority law-abiding citizens just to keep a small percentage of law-breaking citizens in check.

Hey Frank....Sentator? Case closed Keep this to Jeeps..and no, guns and Jeeps, don't go hand in hand.

"Simply put, (this is theory, mind you) if concealed carry laws were active, then..."

pssst... Ohio does have an "active" concealed carry law.

http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/ohio

...and no, I am NOT ashamed...

Reaction--

How is trying to PREVENT a tragedy such as this disrespectful to the victims and their families???

HOW? HOW?? HOW???

Doesn't anyone UNDERSTAND?? They didn't HAVE to die!!

They died because they were PREVENTED from defending themselves or being defended by a law-abiding citizen...

...that's all I got to say 'bout thet there...Forrest Gump

My first post had communicated that idea exactly..how indeed some people took what was just a sign of respect and ran with it to those extremes is beyond me. I agree.

I don't think this story was appropriate to post on a "Jeep News" website for people to leave reactions to begin with. Its a case of a work-place violence that happened to take place in a Jeep plant, not a new Jeep model to be oo'd and aa'd. I believe what all of you turned this story into is incredibly disrespectful to the familys of the victims. Go argue about gun laws over a few drinks at a bar, not in a reaction post to such a tragic story as this.

holy
AP!!!

I go on vacation ONE week, and this place goes to $#!+

I thoutht at least OOJ would keep things in order while I was gone!!!

"Guns, When do we get Guns?"-Tackleberry, Police Academy

...Ronald Reagan had Alzheimers also, and look how that all turned out...


...Hilarious? Like a Clown????

"Charlton Heston is MY president"

Charlton Heston has Alzheimers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,60035,00.html

Gunnem, you'd be hilarious if you weren't armed.

On to JEEPS Now...........

INDEPENDENCE to the TK!!!

4 WHEEL INDEPENDENCE to the TK!!!

Hybrid Power too!!!!!

No sore spots here, I'm just stating a fact, thats all...

And yes, Jeep people DO wave at me...
I'm just not the type who thinks I am right all of the time...unlike some people on this site...

I can handle constructive criticism, but come on, I state an opinion and everyone gets all up in arms...

Mabye if AMERICA got up in FIREARMS, none of this would have happened...This was small scale Genocide, just like in Germany, just like in Rawanda, only it happened to a few people, not millions, but definitely the same mindset was present...

'...From My Cold Dead Hands...'

Charlton Heston is MY president

YES!...I hit a soft spot....or maybe you just are that nuts...WAIT!!! You are the ONE Jeep owner NO-ONE Waves at...That's it.......yeah

Gimmie a break, OOJ, youre the BIGGEST crybaby-[female dog] in this whole bunch!!!I mean, Really---you cry about everything and nothing at all!!!

Did it ever occur to you that these victims were called to their execution one by one?!?!?!

Did it ever occur to you that the gunman chose to use a weapon so that he would be at the top of the veritable food chain, and everyone else under him would be prey???

Why do you think they call the gun 'the equalizer'???

I think a little equalizing would have gone a long way that day, and your dumb-ass soulution to the situation is to turn your head-lights on??? Oh yeah---that will fix everything....

I am by no stretch of the the definition a gun-nut, an extremist Republican, or a conservative, but I do know this...

The criminal mind revolves around Psychopathy, and there are many degrees of Psychopathy...not every Psychopath is of the Hanibal Lechter variety...In the mind of a Psychopath, all things belong to the Psychopath, (kinda like cats). The Psychopath believes that the world owes them whatever they want and nothing is owed to them, and it is alright for them to take what they want, go where they want, and do whatever they want, and it's okay to the Psychopath to use force and violence to get whatever they want...

These victims should have been able to defend themselves, instead they were victimized in of all places their place of employment...This incident is no different and no less tragic than 9/11, as the victims were harmed in their place of employment with no way of defending themselves...

As I said before, it seemed this guy was hell-bent on huring someone that day, and Gun-Control obviously didn't do any victim any good that day, and even if this guy couldnt get his hands on a gun, he could have used a knife, a baseball bat (Are we going to ban Baseball bats???), a machete, an I.E.D. (a gas can and a lighter will do the job just fine) to achieve his goal.

Im not going to repeat WHY a Firearm may have prevented the tragedy from occuring (see GunnEm #3), but I do believe that it may have...Again this site is all about opinion and theory, and this is just my opinion and theory...

Mabye an armed citizen would not have been able to stop the gunman, who knows??? Of course with the anti-gun atmosphere in this country the way it is, we will never know for sure now will we???

And by the way SPOOK, I DID see black helicopters out my windows, and they were flown by little green aliens wearing JEEP t-shirts that had the little 'pissy' kid with the letters 'OOJ' under his liquid stream, and I waved to them too, is there any thing wrong with that???

p.s. OOJ, I hope the TK has 4 Wheel Independent Suspension and is powered by the Prius Synergy Hybrid System, and I also hope that HUMMER gets custody of the 7-slot grille trademark, just so we can hear you cry for the next 3 decades, at which time the Aliens will swoop down and bring you up to the mothership, and probe your netherregions with a little tiny RAV-4 shaped probe...

GunnEm...you know?...While I was reading my current issue of "Soldier of Fortune"; I don't remember DCX or Jeep for that matter showing ads touting the New Jeep Or ANY Jeep at all. Are the Ad exectutives missing something that only YOU know???? I can't wait to see the New Wrangler ad on page 7--just after I'm done reading about "50 Ways to Conceal My Innocent Firearm While at Work(used only to protect the innocent of course)And Not be Reprihanded by My Superiors." Should we ask them to support our beloved periodicals?

And Furthermore.....IF Ted Kennedy Was driving a Jeep that fateful day.....He woulda just drove through and forded that Chappaquiddick canal///it wasn't THAT deep......SO THERE

HaHa!!! Thank you. Gun control discussions please go someplace else now.

I heard the guy was screaming "I want SOLID AXLES and an INLINE six"......."and a Diesel option on TJ's"!!!!!




Sorry - just trying to inject some humor into a hi-jacked for political soapbox thread. Back to Jeep discussion now, please.

How about better background screening to prevent idiots like this working in situations they mentally cannot handle. This just may prevent the gun toten fools wanting everyone carrying a gun with them at all times. "Jane you sure are fast on that ten key" "Thanks jon i much quicker now i can prop my hand up with my glock"

Enough...this is Jeep site...you wanna talk guns go to S&W.com or whatever gun people go to...I wanna talk about JEEPS

HOW ABOUT THREE...

FIRST of all, I am not trying to use this tragedy to promote concealed carry laws, SECOND,the last time I checked, I am NOT an Idiot (The Idiot is the one who is making blank statements about others they dont even know (no offense...)).
THIRD, in my, and many others opinion, this tragedy could have been averted without a shot ever taking place, and NO loss of life, not even to the gunman. Simply put, (this is theory, mind you) if concealed carry laws were active, then...

1. The gunman would know that, while he may have a gun, at least one person around him could also have a firearm to defend themselves, and he would not know which one, because one or ALL of his co-workers could be armed...In a best case scenario, he would have thought twice about taking his anger out through the loss of human life, and never engaged in deadly actions...

2. If the gunman was still hell-bent on harming his co-workers, then if a worker were armed, they could use deadly force to stop the gunman from engaging in actions which are likley to cause death or great bodily harm...This would happen of course only after verbal warnings to stop his actions before deadly force is used (this is what is required of law enforcement officers, they can't just go blasting away, and neither could a private citizen who is allowed to carry a concealed weapon in states where is allowed). In a best case scenario, the gunman could have been talked out of engaging in actions which were likley to cause death or great bodily harm.

3. In a worst case scenario, the gunman could have been stopped from harming innocent victims through the lawful use of a firearm in the defense of human life: The operative word, STOPPED...I don't think that any law abiding citizen in this scanario wants to use their firearm to kill, and no one is to say that a criminal who is shot by a law abiding citizen who is allowed to carry a concaled firearm would automatically expire (although the chance does exist), the fact is, is that INNNOCENT life could be protected.

In each of these scenarios, the firearm is progressive in it's use...First presence (deterrence), second, verbal warning (a chance for the gunman to stop himself from engaging in actions that may cause death or great bodily harm), third, minimum force necessary to STOP someone from causing death or great bodily harm.

Believe it or not, there are more States in The Union that allow concealed carry than do not, (like 2:1), and we don't read about the whole United States going up in arms, and gun-controlled states being some kind of safe-haven...In fact the opposite is true, concealed carry states have the some of the lowest crime rates, without a shot being fired, simply because of deterrence, and gun-controlled states, being controlled by criminals who will own guns in spite of the law, because they are, after all,
IMINALS and NOT law-abiding citizens, having the worst crime rates.

THERE'S YOUR SCENARIO(s)...

Reminder...Jeep site(not pro-gun platform)geezh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My deepest sympathies goes out to the victims and their friends and family. I will definetly keep my headlamps on and spread the word.

I always drive with the lights on, but it's a good idea. I will spread the word.

"BAD COP.....! NO doughnut!"

It is always sad news when a shooting occurs at any work place. I'm sure when most of us go to work, we generally feel fairly safe and secure.

You have to wonder how stressful things are at the Liberty plant. I know the workers put in a lot of overtime, and keeping manufacturing jobs in the U.S. is real tough, especially with all of the foreign competition. I know many Jeep workers lost their jobs when the XJ (Cherokee) production ended. It has to be hard on the Ohio workers seeing the Wrangler jobs being migrated over to the 3 new suppliers. Additionally, new Jeep models are being planned, but those vehicles will not be built at Toledo North. The Toledo North plant was designed to build 2 completely different vehicles and also has the ability to build a third vehicle as a proto-type. It seems the plant is under used, and the workers are being over worked.

No matter what, my sympathies to the families that lost loved ones.

Everyone should carry guns, heck when a child is born into the good ole usa hand em a gun and the keys to a jeep. Its the american way!!!!!