I hope not, but it appears that the next Wrangler will be a fat behemoth that will no longer be able to fit in the tight places that my new Unlimited will go easily...

days of cheap jeeps are over anything capable will be over 20000
inflation?hmm?

oh yeah and rock on with the v8 hemi in a two door
wrangler

In my opinion, Jeep will eliminate the base "SE" model from the Wrangler lineup. This will push the base Wrangler above the base Liberty in the lineup.

Another "The little Jeep that could" story, if I may....(True,too)

Sunday.
On my way home.
See my buddy's '80 CJ7 45" mudders,AMC360 pulled over.
Think he's visiting.
Nope.
He broke.
My '95 YJ; 2.5 5sp. 31"X10.5's
135K.
original clutch.
Yep!
Tows Monster 5200 lb Jeep To home.
3 miles.
.5 mile UP 48% Ascent!
needless to say 'ol YJ would only pull at 30mph in second stuffed to the floor!
my buddy was sh**ing..amazed at this feat.
I was a "proud dad".
My little Jeep that could.
Never get rid of 'er..EVER

I'm a bit confused. With gas prices on the rise (probably for the forseeable future), why do the big three keep throwing the big motors at us?

I don't want a HEMI!!! I want a respectable diesel motor like the rest of the world gets.....

I wonder how the Hemi Wranglers produced by AEV hold up? It may not be the V8 Hemi. About a year and a half ago there were rumors of a V6 Hemi under development along side the 6.1L. The 6.1L rumor proved to be true, as we saw the engine released later that year, so it could be true that we may see a V6 Hemi. It was predicted to have horsepower in the high 200's, probably near 300. A V6 Hemi along side a deisel option with possibly the GM/DC hybrid system would make a perfect engine lineup! (although I certainly wouldnt mind a V8 Hemi Wrangler!)

JP magazine has a hint from a Jeep engineer that the Wrangler will have the 4.7L in it. Who knows if it will be a Hemi 4.7L or just the one from the grand

One thing you just said raised a question in my mind? How well would a hybrid system work in water fording. Wouldn't submerging the electric motor be a bad thing?

I will never sell my TJ or LJ... ever!!!

Although, a Gladiator with a diesel might be a nice addition if it can tow...

YO Tony.

Based on the current SAHARA Movie Marketing and Advertising, I think your Removable doors, fold- down windshield and SFA are safe.

If you haven't seen the trailers for the movie, yet...The Wrangler Unlimited is shown prominently driving through the desert with the Windshield down, and the top and doors off.

As mentioned in previous months, JEEP will be relying heavily on Marketing through movies, and I don't think they would display the Wrangler in that configuration if they didn't intend on keeping it that way.

Is the Golden Eagle RETURNING?

TEEE-HEEE A V-8 C.OMPACT J.EEP!

DCX has described "HEMI" as "a brand within a brand".

The HEMI is a way to get some extra income from a platfrom which is already doing well, or, in this case, introduce a new model with a ***BANG**, ala' the MAGNUM, CHARGER, and 300C.

A HEMI Wrangler would be perfect, even more perfect with MDS and a HYBRID transmission.

Mabye the reason JEEP isn't offering the 2,8 Diesel with the 6-speed manual transmission in the Liberty or TK is because they are planning to add the 5-speed Hybrid trans?

A 6-speed manual would limit the Wrangler or Liberty to a engine-based Mild-Hybrid start/stop system, which would only provide Hybrid-assist by restarting the engine when the gas pedal is depressed. Although, a Mild-Hybrid system could be used on all engines from 4 cyl to 8 cyl.

(note...even this type of hybrid system would get about 10% better mileage, and be perfect for trail crawling, which is all we really care about, anyway...)

You will get a hemi in the dakota next year...Remember the r/t???

But why is there suddenly talk of a Hemi in a Wrangler, when you can't even get a Hemi in Dodge's beloved Dakota?

Yes, I agree with 96XJ Owner, If the Wrangler goes Hybrid, the batteries and motor can act as a portable power generator. With MDS, a V-6 could drop down to as little as 2 cylinders to reduce fuel consumption.

More importantly, though, here are some other things the Wrangler could do if it were Hybrid...

Save Gas...With a battery pack, the TKh could generate maximum torque at 1 RPM...

Rock Climb better. With max torque at 1 RPM, the GM/DCX hybrid system (which is located in the transmission, or the clutch disc for manual transmissions) can be useed to crawl at low, low, low speeds... No more turning the ignition key with the trans and t/c in double low

Theoretically, the engine could be disengaged from the trans, and the electric motor can provide low speed power for rock climbing, stream fording, ditch traversing, etc, while the engine acts as a gen-set to provide constant electric power.

Greater range...The GM/DCX hybrid system is supposed to work in both city and highway driving, so the electric motor can kick in whenever torque is needed, not just in the first 25 mph...

Flexible Fuels...As mentioned above, a TKh would get better mileage, but more importantly, it would minimize the alternative fuel mileage penalty (alternative fuels burn more efficiently, but carry fewer BTU's per unit of measure, so they get fewer miles per tank-full). A TKh could run on gas, ethanol, natural gas, hydrogen, propane (imagine tailgating in you Wrangler and plugging your BBQ into the auxillary gaseous fuel tank).

Emergency Power generator...Camping was mentioned above, but what about emergency power? Plug the power output into your house, and run the natural gas line from the house into the above-mentioned aux. propane tank, and whammo, instant disaster power.

I'd still like to see a Wrangler which is powered by a Stirling Engine running on any type of liquid or gaseous fuel available, turning a generator motor which provides electrical power to a large battery pack using yet-to-be-achieved 400amp-hr./Kg batteries, which in turn, powers an electronic speed control, that in turn, distributes power to 4 hub-mounted, high torque electric motors, which provide power for propulsion, and regenerate spent power, which would otherwise be lost, during braking, but I'll take a HemiHybrid TKh if that's all that is available.

Quit the Fear-Mongering....

Jeep NEEDS the Base mosel, if for no other reason, as raw Jeep Material for Jeepers to build up a trail Jeep...

Jeep will always need, and always have room for the 4 cyl stickshift open diff Wrangler.

The Scout platform is designed for sub-Wrangler price range...It is designed to compete with the RAV-4s, Honda Elelments, and
Vs, buyers who would never initally consider a Wrangler, not against it's own product line.

Plus, the Scout is already sharing a platform with the NEON replacement, so Daimler doesnt have to sell 100,000 individual Scouts to meet it's quota.

JEEP would only be cutting it's own nose to spite it's face if it cut out the base Wrangler...

As far as engines go, a HEMI V-8, or even a V-6 with MDS and the upcoming DCX/GM Hybrid system would increase mileage by almost 20%. Thats alot by today's standards, Especially if every car on the road got 20% better mileage.

Ultimately, the Wrangler has to go HYBRID for better trail and street performance, and only the Best will do.

Remember, TK is not a car, It is a PLATFORM from which multiple cars can be constructed. There is room for simple and stupid 4cyl 2DR SWB's and 'upscaled' 4-DR LWB's, and everything in between.

HEMI 2 DOOR WOULD BE GRAET, BUT LET'S NOT GO TO UPSCALE REMEBER ITS JUST A CHRYSLER. THE DAYS OF A CHEAP FUN ENDED WITH AMC.

As far as engines go, I think the 4.7 L from the grand, while being a good engine, is a little bulky for the Wrangler.

Some TJ 4.7L conversions have been done, and it barely fit.

The Hemi V-8, however, needs a much smaller shoehorn to get into the TJ...

I can't imagine the TK engine bay being much bigger than the TK. While we have all read that the 3.7 L V-6 is the next engine for the Wrangler, the 4.7L may be too much...

Besides, the OHC design of the 3.7/4.7L does not lend itself well to cylinder de-activation.

While it CAN be done, why go through the trouble to retro-fit a MDS system on the 3.7/4.7L, when the HEMI engine was designed from the ground up to include a MDS system?

While I'm not saying no to the 3.7/4.7L, for purposes of Hybrid/MDS discussion, the engines would be poor choices compared to the HEMI V-8 or V-6.

Actually, a sealed AC Induction motor could be fully insulated in non-conductive oil and be fully protected from water...

Also, as 96 XJ Owner mentioned, an electric motor inside of the transmission would be as safe from water as the transmission itself.

Wiring would be a minor issue, but again, wiring can be sealed from water inside of conduit (again, in some non-conducting oil or urethane) with the connections above the waterline.

From looking at the autoblog photos of the system the electric motors are contained in the transmission case and look like they are sealed. If the batteries,cables and wire junctions are waterproofed there is no reason why a hybrid jeep can't ford.

if the wrangler goes hybrid maybe the batteries and electric generator can act like a portable generator to power things for work and camping similar to the dodge ram design.

First of all, the measurements listed have not at all been confirmed. Secondly, even if it grows a slight bit it will not be a "fat behemoth"

Chicken little, the sky is falling, the sky is falling!

Keep in mind, many people who are off-roading with their Jeep's are already running wider tires which increase the width of the vehicle. The slight growth in length will not hamper the off-road capability any as it will allow for larger diameter tires and therefore higher ground clearance.

I'm betting that by offering a this V8 in a Wrangler, it'll be more likely than not that it'll also be available in the Gladiator. No way they'd only offer that truck in a diesel. I'll still hold out for the Galdiator just in case.

That's for sure!

The should definitely offer a diesel or diesels.

A 4 door diesel Wrangler or a 4 door diesel gladiator? That would be a tough choice.

It almost appears that the Wrangler is moving up market from an entry level vehicle to a "specialty" vehicle. I'm sure this will bring higher prices and content to make room for Jeep's new entry level vehicle ( the Scout ).

Am I the only one who wants the Hemi in the real (2 door) Jeep? Save me the "You don't need the power, it's not a race car" comments; when I merge onto I-35, I need all the power I can get! :)

Longer,wider,four doors and a V8.I think you call that a Hu**$#.I just can't say the word.

More upscale? What does THAT mean? Sounds like alot more $$$ to me... Too bad.

best engine options for a wrangler would be:

small 4 cylinder (Gas) - good for gettin' around and good fuel economy

4 cylinder turbo diesel - much more power than gas, better economy, tons of torque

slightly larger diesel, like a larger displacement 4 cylinder or even a 5 cylinder turbo diesel, for those who need a bit more power under the hood.

Build a V8 gladiator with a 7500 tow option.

A V-8 Wrangler Returns !!!!

I just might have to trade my '77 CJ5 with the AMC 304 V-8!!!

here is my comment keep the wrangler the way it is folding wind shield removeable doors soiled axel easy to wor on!!!!!!