here is my comment where are the other 2 doors i dont see them

ORIGINAL SERPENTINE BELT!!!!! You really are crazy to still have that on after 100+ K on it.

As for the new wrangler, I am worried. My favorite part of my wrangler is the ragtop. To replace that with a composite top as is suggested seems somehow wrong.

My guess is that they are just testing the drivetrian, frame, etc. not full vehicle. Other car manufacturers have done this many times, for example when land rover was testing the freelander they camoed it by sticking a car body on top of the frame and made it look like a regular production vehicle. I am hoping that they make the new Wrangler much like the Gladiator and this is just a way to keep us guessing. I am very excited to see spy pics of the new Wrangler and I can't wait to see more.

OOJ...
Saying the TJ is not a real Jeep because it has air bags when others don't is like me saying your YJ is not a real Jeep because it has seat belts and a roll bar when my CJ2a doesn't. And as far as engines go, the go-devil and hurricane enigines in early CJs was superior to all of the AMC and later engines. And does your YJ have a vent in the front windshield like a CJ2a?

O.O.J. that was a very insightful and informative dissertation on the origins of G.E.M.A. and the new 'world engine' that they will produuce...

But you are still an IDIOT...

Need we remind you that the venerable 2.5 which is in the YJ may have been manufactured in Mexico?
(Some 2.5L's were made in Mexico, they are the ones that usually suffer from head-warping)

THe 2.2/2.4 engine family is not only all Chrysler, it was so technologically advanced, that it (was one of the major factors) actually prompted the takeover of Chrysler by Daimler, because Daimler wanted the rights to the engine technology for further engine development.

The upcoming G.E.M.A. engine is a further refinement of that technology---With Turbo and Direct-Injection variants planned, all manufactured will lessons learned from manufacture of the 2.2/2.4.

I have said this before and will repeat myself yet-again...DCX global partnerships will not dilute the Jeep line: If anything the partnerships will strengthen other manufacturers...

And if a DCX parnership with a company like Hyundai brings the 10yr/100,000 mile B2B warranty to the TK wrangler, then that is okay too.

As far as the spy-shots...

Don't anyone spazz out...The use of TJ sheet metal suggests that the TK will be more evolutionary than revolutionary, and everyone can rest easy...the S.F.A. is still in place on the test-mule.

I think we are seeing the divergence of the Jeep
line...One line for hardcore Jeepers, and one line for real-world drivers who still want good off-road capability.

I did some measuring and based on the width of the doors the vehicle in the pictures appears to have around a 108-110 inch wheelbase. That would be about how long the Unlimited's wheelbase would be if the rear axle was moved all the way back. So this means that the new 4-door TK may be very similar in overall size to the current Wrangler Unlimited.

To Marlon, Matt and Joe Blow....here's YOUR A**HOLE moment....:

"The new 2.4,2.0,and 1.8 4 cylinder motors are to be produced by a new consortium for Chrysler and others for use in 18 vehicle lines.
The new group; Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance (GEMA) will be responsible for the design and tooling of the first factory in South Korea..and to 5 other plants..one being Dundee,IL..
GEMA is a partnership between Daimler/Chrysler AG,Hyundai Motor Co. LTD and Mitsubishi Motors Co."

Gentlemen, I don't believe that group of motors are the same as the AMC DESIGNED and produced 2.5 (4) equipped in my YJ and early TJs...

Maybe I did overlook the correct intro onto the TJ..but forgive me...I sure don't deserve being called an A**hole for it..

I hate it too when people post their OPINION and have others who rip it apart because THEY don't know what THEY'RE talking about.....LOL

Obviously a 4 door, it says right there! I cant wait to see the styling, we should start seeing spy photos of the body by this coming fall... cant wait!

wow... what a collection of random current gen TJ parts... you can see how much longer the chassis will be, as the Unlimited hard top doesnt even fit... this must be the 4-door platform.

Very interesting but the picture clearly shows a two-door Wrangler---not a four-door as the picture says. Regardless, after 9 years of the same style Wrangler, it needs a breath of freshness. Hopefully, the old AMC Hornet/Pacer I6 will be gone.

OnlyOneJeep should stop using this forum as a platform for the ridiculus. My TJ will run rings around your YJ just as the YJ was superior to the Scrambler, CJ-7 and CJ-5. All of which I owned. In fact I am old enogh to remember that CJ's came from dealers whithout any fluids and rust was already forming on the floor boards. You had to prep and paint them yourself so they would last a while.

Lets all look back to the good old days and hope they never repete themselves. I'm looking forward to what the new Wrangler will be.

Way to go CJ2a Owner!! I don't know about the 60hp engine and stuff, but you also left out a few other things real Jeeps don't have compared with the newer models. Longer wheelbase (CJ7-8/YJ/TJ), Wider Track (Late model CJ7s/YJ/TJ), Sway bars and track bars that limit body roll as well as wheel travel and other things that Jeep was FORCED to do after the bogus 60 minutes BS that killed the last Real Jeep!!!

I don't like where they're going with it...

Mess with an Icon....dunno..

I'll keep my '95 YJ thank you...

The one

The original

Jeep

A few observations:

From the spy shots, it doesn’t appear the TK’s track will be
much wider than the existing TJ’s, instead maybe just the body
will be six-inches wider. Additionally, the four-door TK doesn’t
appear much longer than the TJ LWB; I presume it will be
Cherokee-sized. I wonder the size of the two-door version,
though? The new frame looks a little larger, and likely more stiff,
thus durability and ride quality will be enhanced. The much-
anticipated solid-front axle is evident. As long as they don’t ruin
the iconic exterior, this will be a hit, and will be a proper
replacement for my faithful TJ.

Saving my money as we speak...

Look at the wheelbase and how it lines up with the wheel wells- this is obviously a 2004-2005 TJ Unlimited body stuck on the new frame.

i dont see 4 doors, front solid axle is nice, im surprosed they didnt screw up the last true jeep with i.f.s.

Dear Jeep,
Regarding the proposed 2007 "TK", I am excited by the prospect of a 4-door, soft-top diesel Wrangler. However, I have no use for a hard-top (or removable-top) Jeep with doors. If I needed an enclosed vehicle, I'd buy a 4x4 pickup or Suburban.

I usually buy a new Jeep every 4 or 5 years, but if the new Wrangler is not available as a soft-top, I'll just re-power my 4-cylinder TJ (maybe with an Isuzu diesel) and keep it indefinately. Sorry.

Regards,
Rex Arcana

(Hope you're listening)

Dear Jeep,
Regarding the proposed 2007 "TK", I am excited by the prospect of a 4-door, soft-top diesel Wrangler. However, I have no use for a hard-top (or removable-top) Jeep with doors. If I needed an enclosed vehicle, I'd buy a 4x4 pickup or Suburban.

I usually buy a new Jeep every 4 or 5 years, but if the new Wrangler is not available as a soft-top, I'll just re-power my 4-cylinder TJ (maybe with an Isuzu diesel) and keep it indefinately. Sorry.

Regards,
Rex Arcana

(Hope you're listening)

From the spy photos it looks like the TK track will be somewhat wider than the TJ. The TK Mule has fairly "skinny" wheels and tires and they appear on the 3/4 view to slightly stick out from what appears to be a stock-width TJ tub and fender flares. Just an observation.

Yo' JpGirl

I got yer high pinion....Righ hea!!!

OK the TJ has to have air bags for the driver and front passenger because it is required by law.

This is so stupid. We are suppose to be posting responses to the article posted above not fighting over what makes one Jeep more of a Jeep than another.

(Quoted by Neuron, "All the guys who reported women were attracted to their wrangler should know that they were attracted to the styling. They didn't care what kind of axil or shock you have underneath. ")

I beg to differ!
There are some girls around who would be impressed by a high pinion D44 and actually know what it looks like ;)
Those are the ones you want to be attracted to your jeep anyway :D

and BTW it is 'axle' not axil :p

I still don't like the look of full doors on soft tops, and it looks like full doors will be the only ones available.

OnlyOneJeep... As someone who has owned both a YJ and a TJ, to say the YJ is a Real Jeep and not include the TJ is a joke! The TJ is much truer to the original CJ that the YJ was. Yes it has coil springs, but they superior both on and off the road compared to the YJ leafs. I had an 89 YJ that would get stuck way more often than my 98 TJ because of the poor wheel travel limited by the leaf spring/track bar combo. I finally learned that the YJ track bar had to be removed when off roading (unless I wanted to put a suspension lift on it). Its funny how some of the complaints you have about the pending TK changes are similar to some of the YJ changes, longer, wider and so on!!

Look, that "thing" there isn't the prototype - at least NOT the body parts anyway. It's a 122" AAV (Arab American Vehicles) TJ Jeep body tub stuck on SOME "other" kind of frame - but not an LJ frame by the look of it. What they're testing is anyone's guess, but it sure ain't the new sheetmetal - that thing is pure TJ family body parts. The front axle (drivers' side diff) looks very much like a D30. The rumor mill has been spinning NO Dana axles in the future - AAM instead - so it doesn't look like they're testing a new driveline there either. Also, the only Salisbury type steer axle AAM makes is the 1080 - which is fullwidth - way wider that what's pictured there. What they ARE testing, I have no idea - but that test mule doesn't tell us anything.

It's too soon to tell just what to expect. At the very least these photo's don't give us as much info. as some of the press releases and discussion from DCX over the past few months. These photos only serve to indicate that some of their statements about the upcoming Wrangler line are indeed true. Me I can't wait to see what they do. Of course if the screw it up they'll loose what few dedicated Jeep customers they have. I tend to think it will be a home run. I think DCX knows what to touch and what not to.

But me I'm holding out for a Gladiator/Scrambler type vehicle. Hopefully more like the Gladiator. Oh and it must have a
D because I'm sick of waiting for way long over due diesel motors for Jeep vehicles. I've been griping for nearly 20 years now for a Jeep diesel. Finally it seems like a possibility.

DCX, what ever you do build a Gladiator type Wrangler based truck. Please, Please be intending to build a vehicle that is indeed about 4" - 6" wider than the current Wrangler!

I'm pumped and hopeful!

Bill

Here I am reading all these comments, & it hits me: Just look at how UN-united all us "Real" Jeepers really are! We can't seem to agree on anything....which is fine. Because Jeeps really are more than the sum of their parts...its a state of mind.
Things change - tires once had tube in them, seatbelts were for race cars, you could drive without insurance if you wanted to & Jeeps were for fighting bad guys...they use Hummers for that now.

A series of technical specifications do not make a Jeep....WE DO.

It is great to see some "nut" come outa DCX for Jeep...with the Commander and now Compass..and the Wrangler's replacement..it just may be Jeep 'il have itself a slam dunk!///

All the more Jeepers to wave to on the road...!

If,actually you consider Commander as an updated Grand Wagoneer....instead of a bulky, steroid-induced XJ Cherokee....It fits quite well into the new lineup.....

Cannot WAIT to see a Commander in Real Time....

There must be more than just the great 2.5/4 in my YJ...others must have the same durability stories...

135K...with the only repairs being:

Radiator at 88K
Hoses at 88K
O2 Sensor at 100K
Catalytic Converter at 110K

Still has the original serpentine belt...though anyday now...
Still has the original clutch,cl.master & slave
Still has the original fr. rotors and rear shoes/drums
Bearings,calipers...on&on...

That's why I love the Jeep...My '93 ZJ Limited 5.2 is just as sweet at 175K

Let's see those new motors last as well as them 'ol AMCs...we shall see....

I wouldn't brag too much about that AMC 2.5L 4 cyl. I had one in my 87 Jeep Commanche and it threw a rod at 25,000 miles (1,000 mile out of warranty at that time). Luckily for me, Chrysler had just taken over for AMC and replaced the enigine for free. Also had that enigine in my 89 YJ that I sold to my cousin, and the engine went out on him at 60,000 miles. My brother, on the other hand, has an 81 CJ5 which had the GM built 2.5L in it and it was still going strong at the time my YJ's engine blew.

only a real Jeep has ... round headlights.

I have been waiting for this ever since I saw the Jeep Dakar concept. If it turns out to be anything like that I will be getting one. I will still keep my '88 YJ and '95 XJ though - They are part of the family now!

Yes, I get it. My only point was the CHRYSLER 2.4L is NOT a Mitsubishi engine. I'm not speaking for the new generation World Engines. Those are an entirely different animal, and will probably be placed in the TK.

I am hopeful, but this Jeep dosen't fit my lifestyle anymore. Maybe I could justify one as a weekend offroader . . . .

Started being equipped in 2002 Liberty..Neon.....Do I need to go on...Do you get the point yet?

Uh Huh.... but guess what? You were talking about the TJ, and so was I. Those new Hyundai/Mitsubishi/Chrysler motors aren't in use yet in ANY currently produced DCX vehicle. ;-)

same as matt, but I wamt to add one thing...

Those people that do that type of things also make themselfs seem like @$$holes, and they all never know what the heck they are talking about!

Why do people always have to make fun of, put down, and critisize things when they dont even know what they are talking about!?!

Sorry, OOJ. Your ignorance strikes again.

The 2.4L in the Wrangler started for Model Year 2003, and is a 100% CHRYSLER ENGINE. NO Mitsubishi connections... NONE. (Well, except for a turbocharger, but ONLY in the SRT-4 version, which is not offered in the Wrangler)

I'm looking forward to this new Wrangler.

TJ has Airbags....

TJ later model 98 up? have 2.4
Mitsubishi motors..

TJ doesn't have vent windows that open..

Sorry guys.. YJ and back are the real Jeeps

And I like my square headlights..gives it a more rugged stance with the wider track...

Sorry OOJ. A real Jeep has flat fenders, Manual steering, no roll bar, round headlights, no plastic dash, manual locking hubs, gas tank under the driver's seat, a 60hp flat head 4 cyl engine, etc... If you want to talk about messing with an Icon, take a hard look at your YJ compared to my CJ2a!!!!

error...

insert 360,403 V8 (AMC/Mopar)..not 260

Real Jeep is:

No airbag(s)

No coil springs (leaf sprung)

2.5 AMC 4 or 4.0 AMC 6; 260,403 V8 (AMC/Mopar)

Short wheelbase

Full-frame

Open body

This means that most Jeeps are inturn Real Jeeps...
MB,CJ5,CJ7,and YJ...."The Jeep Universal"

I agree with Bill.
I would have bought the Dakar if it was built. Now I'm waiting for the Gladaitor. I hope I don't have to buy the AEV Brute. Jeep should learn from them and build it.

It's too soon to tell just what to expect. At the very least these photo's don't give us as much info. as some of the press releases and discussion from DCX over the past few months. These photos only serve to indicate that some of their statements about the upcoming Wrangler line are indeed true. Me I can't wait to see what they do. Of course if the screw it up they'll loose what few dedicated Jeep customers they have. I tend to think it will be a home run. I think DCX knows what to touch and what not to.

But me I'm holding out for a Gladiator/Scrambler type vehicle. Hopefully more like the Gladiator. Oh and it must have a
D because I'm sick of waiting for way long over due diesel motors for Jeep vehicles. I've been griping for nearly 20 years now for a Jeep diesel. Finally it seems like a possibility.

DCX what ever you do build a Gladiator type Wrangler based truck. Please, Please be intending to build a vehicle that is indeed about 4" - 6" wider than the current Wrangler!

I'm pumped and hopeful!

Bill

I would keep my tj and get a 4 door wrangler so my daugher can sit in the back.
what's a real jeep? Tj? yj? cj7? cj5? willy?
A jeep is a jeep because its distinct look and proud miltary tradition. All the guys who reported women were attracted to their wrangler should know that they were attracted to the styling. They didn't care what kind of axil or shock you have underneath. (they may care, however, the size of your tires, but that's a different story. No other vehicle has retained as much of the original styling over half a century as wrangler. While you can cut-up and jack up number of trucks and make them climb walls, they are not jeep because they don't look it. Let's face it, if the jeep styling is intruduced today, it would probabley considered ugly and odd. But ugly things, like hookers and politicians, when it gets old, it become respectable.( paraphrasing from the movie Chinatown) Jeep's design is antique and people like it for that. (Look at the success of PT cruiser)
Liberty, on the other hand, looks like a frog on LSD.

Someone snapped some photos of a mule from Jeep thats in its most basic stages and you guys are already hating it? Its way too early to tell where theyre going with it. They know well enough than to degrade the icon of our brand. A lot of process will be involved in the TK, and I think they will pull off something great.

It looks a lot like the long wheelbase TJ that Chrysler sells to overseas military customers with an Unlimited Hardtop thrown on. They have shown it a Camp Jeep before...

Ok showing photos like this is a crock! It looks like the current model but longer. Misleading to those who may not realize.Jeep should give us a real peek at what's to come to gather momentum, not crap like that!!

Well according to the recent comments from Jeep, the 4 Door Wrangler will be about the same size as the Liberty / Cherokee.

They will be marketing the Wrangler as the rugged off-road legend it always has been (while the Liberty will be marketed as a more refined but still off-road capable family SUV).

4 door Wrangler or 4 door Gladiator!!!!!!!

Definitely needs the diesel. Gladiator or 4 door Wrangler?

Solid Axles! At least there's still one real Jeep.

I dunno. It sure is long. And there is just just somthing about a four door Wrangler that just doesn't sit right with me. Anyone know what I mean?

I had a 2000 Wrangler and goodness do I miss it... I'd been saving for a new one, but then I got engaged and now there a wedding to pay for... but man I'm really going to have to redouble my efforts to save and get a real Wrangler before they're gone. The Unlimited is about as much as I'd like see changed, althought
D would be nice.

I dunno. I'm gonna try to withhold judgement, but my gut says bad juju...

Again thanks carter for watching motorweek!!!