All I have to say is: DAIMLERCHRYSLER IS RUINING THE JEEP NAME.... If something isn't said or done then the "Jeep Heritage" everyone has come to love will disappear! It probably hasn't looked evident til. But it's coming...if it hasn't already?! The only reason they took jeep over was to wipe them out!

Real Jeeps Have:

Two Solid Axles.

Liberty's are NOT real Jeeps. Ans Mercedes-Benz Sucks. Over 70% of their dealership work is warranty, and they have only suceeded in fucking over the piece of shit Chrylser turned the Jeep into.

I'd love to see that POS european 3.5 Liberty motor out milage an International 4.0!!!!

When I started buying Jeeps everyone seemed to get along with each other regardless of what kind of Jeep you had as long as it was a Jeep. That same kind of attitude still exist at Jeep sponsored events such as Camp Jeep. Owning a Jeep was like belonging to a family of sorts. Some of the attitudes that exists on this site or very snobbish in that people are saying that some Jeeps and Jeep owners aren't as good as others.
I like Jeep and the Jeep brand and anyone that drives a Jeep no matter what kind it is is part of the Jeep family.

"I think the Nitro won't have the same off road performance"

As a Liberty? You've already decided this? Why? Because it doesn't have a Jeep emblem on the hood? Why wouldn't they put low-range gearing on it, for towing?

Face it, you're marque groupies. Put a Jeep emblem on it and the apologists and fetishists come out of the woodwork despite the ridiculous lengths of homogenization that the DCX will go through.

In one breath you claim admiration for the history of the brand, and then claim "best-of-class" is good enough. A mechanical clone is announced, but "it's not a real Jeep"... because it's missing the emblem.

And we have msr. Rubicon, who dismisses the Rubicon trail as a marketing gimmick. Let me guess... you'd probably argue that the Trail Rated badging represents a truer measure of capability. If that's true, then perhaps Nissan should have a Trail Rated badge on the XTerra, or Hummer have one on the H2/H3. I'm sure you'll find they're just as capable as the Liberty or Grand Cherokee.

Oh, that's right... they don't have a Jeep emblem on the hood.

Ridiculous

The "Rubicon" requirement for Jeeps didn't come along until the 90's when a Chrysler exec (Bob Lutz now running Hummer for GM) made that a marketing gimick. As far as the Dodge being trail rated, it probably won't come with a low-range t-case which would prevent it from being trail rated anyway.

It sounds to me like OnlyOneJeep's YJ does have a driver's side Airbag, or more like a WindBag! And what about your ZJ, that doesn't fit your description of a real Jeep?

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah....Who Gives A $#!+

I don't think this is a problem. This is the direction most auto companies are heading or all already doing. It's not like the old days like in the 80's where they just stuck a different front end on the car and called it a different model. You can't tell what platform is what anymore. The Dodge will appeal to a different crowd and the average person will not know its built on the same line as a Liberty.
The only thing I that bothers me is the the Nitro is what the Liberty should of been. Not so much the Dodge styling but the 4" longer and a little wider. This would of been a better replacement for the Cherokee. I guess the Liberty will be do for a major facelift in the next couple of years and they will have a chance to make it right. The Liberty has sold well though and the Nitro will also be a big seller so it's hard to be too critical.

Airbags are REQUIRED!

Off topic but is it just me or do "purists" always seem mad? I rarely see anyone claim they are a die hard Jeep fan and then follow it up with any kind of praise whatsoever. Is the current Jeep incarnation THAT bad? I hear them talk about how their 20 year old Jeep is all they need and they will just keep rebuilding it until the end of time. Do you wonder why Jeep needs to expand it's lineup when you hear the "die hards" talk like that? You are not even a customer anymore apparently so shut up. They are never happy and there is little point in trying to satisfy them. And they have been complaining for the last few decades, whining about the loss of the latest great model or the dimise of the brand. Same story, different decade. Get's old. Sorry for the rant.

Bah! I want to know when crawling over rocks became the only thing Jeeps should be able to do? Seems like that's the last thing they were used for in WW2 when it really was a frickin "real" Jeep. Sorry kids - no Rubicon Trail at Normandy - it was all for sand, mud bogs, cruddy trails, crappy roads, farmer's fields, snow, etc. Jeeps are made for getting you there when nothing else can - that has always been their only true purpose.

Frankly the only person who can claim that their's is a true Jeep and no one else's is, would be an MJ owner. Everybody else just needs to STFU!

"Whatever happened to the jeep wave?"

Will we have to give a jeep wave to drivers of Dodge Nitros?

speaking of the new wrangler, www.autoblog has a snippet of a spy photo of an extended wrangler but the roof proprtions are not right.

I've driven the KJ offroad and for trips to NY State...My aunt owns one...She even said she likes my ZJ better.....The KJ is a "NON-Jeep" the Camry of the Jeep world...BLah, Blah, Blah..

And yes..the TJ is a true Jeep,even with dumb airbags...
Full frame, and that "Jeep" body shell-i.e. (open tub)..let's see the new Wrangler replacement do that...It won't..so not a JEEP...

OOJ, Long live the TJ, the last of the real Jeeps? In another thread you were telling us that the YJ was the last of the real Jeeps because it didn't have air bags. Now it's the TJ?

GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! Dannn!!!!! The LIBERTY is NNNNNEEEEEVVVVEEERRRRRR Gonnnnaa be Betterrrrrrrr Than the Cherokee!!!!GGGRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

Noo way mannnnn!!!!
NUH-UH...
Do-Over.....
Cherokees rule man!!!!!
Lib's SUCKKKKKK!!!!!
The Cherokee platform is 20 years old and it will STILL kick ^$$ man...

I agree with "purist"....I'm really am not concerned with the "jeep brand".... I've got my YJ and ZJ..so I could care less about what's next.

purist brings up valid, quick points.

That simple....

As far as Dan..heavy duty... NO WAY IN HECK is the Liberty a better Jeep than Cherokee....NO WAY!

It's OK you can bash us "purists" all you want...but remember..we already got our JEEPS..and plan on keeping them forever anyway.....just like the generations before us...

Long live CJ/YJ/TJ- the last of the true JEEPS.

OR Bruce...

So you want a Cherokee then...

Jon writes...
"I don't think this is a problem"

That's shocking (sarcasm).

Will the Nitro be Trail Rated, too?

First OFF, none of you dumb ass purisuts can even spell RUBICON TRAIL much less traversed it!! I have owned a 92 wrangler/ 98 Cherokee/ 2003 Liberty and a 2004 liberty and i have to say, What is wrong with being comfortable while you drive. All of you drive more on concrete than rock trails. The liberty is just as capable as any of the other jeep brothers, just different more refined and so on. You can lift any vehicle add a few special off road pacakge tires and get the same performance. If your a professional off road racer then it may make a difference. But for YOU and I normal folks trying to have a hobby it does not make a hill of beans what the hell you drive in the famimly, It says JEEP and that settles it, Sure the Trail Rated Badge is kind of corney, however it has become a trade mark that differnetiates between wanabee off road vehicles and a truly capable vehicle. So if you want to continue to bash liberties or the Jeep name go on it just shows that you have really no true loyalities to the family. Your more like a child crying that dunkin donuts makes different flavors instead of the twisty types. Shut up, drive your JEEP and have fun. If you feel better in a wrangler or cherokee buy one and leave the rest of the family alone.

You're all a bunch of kids.

I bought a Liberty Diesel to replace my truck. I bought it so that I can pull stuff when I need to and use it to go out in the bush to go fishing. So far it has served just fine. I stopped using the vehicle as a plaything to climb over rocks when I left my teenage years behind long ago.

I bought the diesel because a diesel engine will last longer and give better (more practical) value. I bought a Jeep because its made in the country where I live. I also like the warranty. I also liked the better mileage that a diesel gives.

I would have got another truck, but it seems like everyone I looked at was a bloated version of a real truck. I even had some trouble choosin'the Liberty. Never had power windows, locks and mirrors before. More stuff to break. I don't like that.

Is it a "real" Jeep? Says so on the side, don't it? It's a real Jeep by definition.

If Dodge sells a slightly larger version as a clone, it'll sell too. Not too many people out there that care if it says Jeep. People look for utilitarian value and comfort.

Trail Rated is a marketing gimmick, even more so, since it is actually used in marketing materials. My point was that everyone assumes that all Jeeps since 1941 were designed to travel the Rubicon trail which is not true. As tulsajeep pointed out, back in the 40's when the original Jeeps were designed, rock crawling wasn't even a requirement. And for those who don't think the KJ can handle it, I have spoken to Jeep engineers at Camp Jeep who have taken stock KJs over the Rubicon without any problems or damage!

I bought Jeep liberty a while ago. To be honest it didnt perform well offroad until I fixed 2.5(backside) liftkit amd 3.5(front)lift kit. This weekend I was jumping dunes with Wranglers and Patrols. Amazingly I drove dunes going almost 50degrees and no worries what so ever. A.C. was even on. This desert is in Dubai. Anyways mates just wanted to drop a line.
cheers

Some things in life are worth the extra bucks. If that airbag saved your butt you'd be singing a different tune. You can't always aviod someone hitting you.

Never have I seen someone complain so much about airbags. They "suck" because they add to the expense of repair after an accident? THAT'S your argument? Hmmm, take it out of the money you saved on medical bills! Crazy! It's like saying "I don't wear seatbelts because in accidents, the seatbelt tends to rip my shirt and bruise my shoulder." Come, join us in the 21st century, won't you?

The difference between A Jeep YJ(87-95) and a TJ (97-present)..?

For the difference of having an airbag vs. NOT>?

I'll tell ya....

A YJ Jeep with 147k on it

VS.

A TJ Jeep with 110K on it....

TJ is totalled at $6500. because of dual airbag deployment....

YJ is fixed at $2000. or less..(Not Totalled)...obviously now....WHICH IS THE BETTER DEAL?

That's why airbags SUCK....The whole point is to AVOID an accident to begin with..............

Now with the "NEW" generation of JEEPS..come curtain/side/frontal rear/face/neck/eye/foot/chest/genital FULL FUNCTION Airbags...and then when the "rescuers" come get you...they have to DESTROY each panel on your JEEP to disable each said airbag BEFORE getting the occupants out!..."Damn! I hit that curb..ALL my airbags deployed, and I got a flat...and the Ins. CO. Totalled my Jeep"!!

Good Enough for 'em.....

Blofeld ...

We don't know IF Nitro will be a clone. I would say that IF the Nitro does have the same guts (suspension, drivetrain ...) and is just a Liberty with a different body style, it would tarnish the uniqueness of the jeep brand. Still that wouldn't be as bad as what DCX used to do by using all the same sheet metal and just putting a different sticker on the back.

From a dodge perspective it's a smart move same guts or not, and a smart move by DCX to try to make more profits and expand the total line-up. Remember that there are of lot of posts on this site about how ugly the liberty is. I don't happen to like the Nitro styling, but for sales style makes a difference. So why not have a style for those who don't like the looks of liberty, but like the performance?

I personally hope the Nitro shares as little with the KJ as possible other than the platform, and hope it is marketed more towards towing, on the road performance, or maybe an SRT.

To answer you're question about the wave ... I really don't know. Maybe you treat the Nitro like the little brother you picked on and honk and yell at him? Or if you like the little step child you give the index finger point off the wheel and not a full wave?

Why would you give a Nitro driver a Jeep Wave? The nameplate on the front of the vehicle would still say Dodge, not Jeep. Sharing the platform does not make it Jeep, nor does it make the Liberty not a Jeep. It wouldn't be Trail Rated, because by Jeep's definition "Only a Jeep 4x4 is Jeep Trail Rated", it is a Jeep marketing slogan, not a Dodge. It would be like Jeep building the Rescue on the Ram platform and using the marketing slogan "The new Jeep Rescue, its Ram Tough!"

The Jeepster may have been a slow-seller, but the Willys Wagon was definitely NOT a slow-seller. It was the very first 4WD utility vehicle.

"According to specifications listed in the history book JEEP: FROM
BANTAM TO WRANGLER by Bill Munro, the Jeep Station Wagon’s
front suspension, in two-wheel-drive version, was Planadyne
transverse leaf INDEPENDENT; four-wheel-drive models were
solid axle with semi-elliptic leaf springs. The Jeepster also
featured the same Planadyne suspension, to which advertising
literature noted: "


...and it was a horrible seller, considered an odd footnote in Jeep history.


My questions still stand...

IF the Nitro is the mechanical clone (suspension, platform, drivetrain, et al) to the Liberty, would it be equivalent off-road and worthy of the Trail Rated marketing you claim the Liberty to be?

Will you give Nitro drivers the Jeep wave?

According to specifications listed in the history book JEEP: FROM
BANTAM TO WRANGLER by Bill Munro, the Jeep Station Wagon’s
front suspension, in two-wheel-drive version, was Planadyne
transverse leaf INDEPENDENT; four-wheel-drive models were
solid axle with semi-elliptic leaf springs. The Jeepster also
featured the same Planadyne suspension, to which advertising
literature noted:

“This Willys exclusive brings you a new smoother riding
experience. Independent front wheel suspension combines with
oversize shock absorbers, rubber-insulated springs and low
pressure tires to give you a better and safer ride.”

Just because the Nitro shares the same platform as the Liberty, it does not mean that it will be the same vehicle as the Liberty.

The Cadillac XLR shares the same architecture as the Corvette but they are by no means the same car. The Hummer H2 shares the same architecture as the Cadillac Escalade but the Hummer is more off-road capable (albeit the Hummer H2 still can't hold a candle to the Wrangler). The Porsche Cayenne and the VW Touraeg share the same platform but one is built for speed while the other has showcased that it is a competitor to the Grand Cherokee.

Vehicles can share the same platform but can have different suspension setups, different drive trains, different tires, etc. All of these will alter the off-road performance. We will only know of the Nitro's capabilities when it becomes a reality.

The debate on "real Jeeps" is ridiculous. The MB is a great vehicle, but I can assure you that a stock MB is a wimp compared to a new Rubicon. Change happens and it is unavoidable. Airbags are not an option so indicating that they make a Jeep less of a Jeep is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have heard. There is no need to berate others because their Jeep has an IFS (which has existed on Jeeps since the Wagoneer) or because it has required safety features.

I am a Cherokee owner and I love my vehicle. I have driven the KJ and have seen what the folks of Lost KJ can do with their Liberty's. The styling (aside from the Renegade) and seating position may not be the best in my opinion, I still think the Liberty is a Jeep through and through.

The Wrangler will only get more capable. It's slightly longer-wheelbase will allow for larger factory tires giving the Wrangler the greater ground-clearance it needs. The Grand Cherokee and Commander are not supposed to be rock crawlers. They follow the tradition of the Willys Wagon and the Wagoneer and are very utilitarian vehicles that are still off-road capable. The Compass/Scout will follow in the tradition of the Jeepster as a sporty 4WD vehicle that can handle poor road conditions with ease.

If none of these vehicles suits you, I urge you to spend a little time and money and restore one of the vintage Jeeps that are rusting away. This will allow you to enjoy the kind of Jeep you love will preserving some of the great Jeep history.

I spoke to the Jeep engineers at Camp Jeep 2003, so that would exclude whatever happened last year. As for damage, we were talking major mechanical damage, I'm sure they had some body and rocker panel damage, but as you stated, what stock vehicle wouldn't? My point is that the KJ is a very capable off road vehicle worthy of the Jeep nameplate, is it as capable as a CJ or TJ, no way, but it isn't supposed to be. Would I buy one to go out trail riding every weekend? No, (but I also wouldn't have bought a new XJ,ZJ or WJ for that use either) but as a daily driver with some occasional off roading, it fits the bill.

Why do you think the Jeep Rubicon is called Rubicon and the others are just "Trail" rated.

Rubicon, did the Jeep engineers tell you about all the KJ front end breakage last year on the Rubicon when they were testing them?

Everytime I state why I like my current SFA Jeep's I hear defence to theirs. Who ever thinks were mad should read the language of some of the "other" Jeep owners. I know my Jeeps "compromises" do you know yours?

I own a 90'XJ, 03'TJ(Rubicon) and an 04'WJ. I've been a customer and a fan of Jeep a long time. I buy what I like. The "airbag" point with OOJ I don't quite agree with, but the other points I do.
I wouldn't buy the KJ and the WK doesn't suit my current needs (The SRT8, Hmmm). I have recommended the KJ for people who wouldn't find the TJ practical.
The only people who wave to me are when I'm in the TJ and a LOT of them don't wave to me when I do.

I think some Jeep owners don't understand the Jeep thing!

Oh BTW, I've done the Rubicon in a Rubicon and to get "no damage" would be next to impossibe in a stock vehicle.

"These guys that complain about the KJ will be buying used ones once they get down in their price range of about $5,000."

I drive a spanking new Unlimited, and will consider the Commander for my wife and as a tow vehicle (when I can evaluate it in person). I won't pretend it's a candidate for the trail. Common sense dictates that it would be imprudent to force a platform with such a fragile suspension into even a moderate off-road situation.

There's nothing wrong with the Liberty. Pretending it's something it's not intended to be is another matter entirely. Many here seem to believe the hype and marketing to a point that border foolishness.

My questions stand:

If the Nitro is the mechanical clone of the Liberty, why would it be any less capable off-road?

Will you give Dodge Nitro drivers the Jeep wave?

And finally, there's no anger in these questions. I'm simply curious the extent to which the obvious genuflecting will be taken. I hope everyone here has a good day, no matter what they drive.

A diehard like me is not mad..ever!..I just think the johnny come latelys to the Jeep Family are just buying Jeep for the name brand only...Anyone who owns a KJ or any incarnation newer than the 2000 Model yrs...is of no concern of me...The guy who mentioned the MJ being a Real Jeep is correct in my opinion....My YJ is CLOSER to the true Jeeps in that sense..Full Frame..Leaf Springs..SFA..and NO AIRBAG(S)...My YJ can do everything I throw at it...From towing a 5,000 LB CJ up a .5mi 42' Incline...to pulling others off stumps...and more..all while being a daily driver....4CYL to boot!..Mad? no..just laughing my a** off seeing these newbies think that their "NEWER" Jeep is BETTER than all which has come before....It is funny as heck!

These guys that complain about the KJ will be buying used ones once they get down in their price range of about $5,000. Until they can afford one they will keep driving their 15yr old Cherokee's. These people that bash Jeep all the time are not even Jeep customers. They more than likely have never purchased a new product from Jeep. I am personally not in the market for a KJ but I have seen what they can do and they are as "real" of a Jeep as any of them.

Think the KJ can't perform.. Then go to
www.kjjeep.com and click on the lost ez forum..
look at the pic's and stuff those people have done with their kj's

Sure, it's one thing to have pride in the Jeep you own, but calling my KJ a Camry??? Whatever happened to the jeep wave? A mutual respect between jeep owners? From OnlyOneJeep seems like OnlyOneFinger in his wave most of the time.

Back on the subject. I'm okay with the sharing of platforms ... that is as long as we don't go back to the days where the difference between brands is the nameplate on the back. Give the dodge a more truck-like appearence and possibly added towing, give jeep the off-road. I also think the dodge is a good place to sell more of the 2wd and keep jeep primarily 4x4.

Also would like Wrangler to remain the entry-level jeep. A rally car scout/compass/whatever would probably sell, but would rather have a Dodge, Plymouth, or even Eagle nameplate on it. Without Plymouth or Eagle around, I guess Jeep is where it goes. Then again, there's that Smart brand that could be introduced to as something new, and then could still keep (most) jeeps "Trail Rated".

OnlyOneJeep

So, the KJ is not a real jeep because it has airbags? because KJ's aren't good off road? Sorry if I would like my chances of surviving a crash increased. Secondly you don't seem to know a damn thing about driving a KJ, and I am telling you they do perform well off the road and on the trail. Now if you prefer your Cherokee that is fine, but don't tell me that my KJ is not a jeep when you're actually upset that they don't make your Cherokee anymore. OnlyOneJeep, grow up and stop attacking the brand that did make your Cherokee for almost 2 decades. And don't tell me my KJ is not your Cherokee either ... no SH*T it's not a Cherokee. It's a current JEEP! 4x4, and a damn good one too!

Having owned jeeps for over twenty years, my first being a cj5, I see the brand evolving to meet a more urban audience. In the past, there was sufficient diversity within the models to address both the urban, rural, and adventurous elements, e.g. up-country options, manual trannies etc. This breadth of design has narrowed to meet, if you will forgive me, a less audacious or perhaps less adventurous urban population who tend to want automatic everything. For example, Jeep has engineered a wonderful six-speed manual, with a granny low first, yet few Lib owners opt for this; rather it's automatic everything. Certainly, the GC epitomizes this urban fulfillment. So, a few of us may complain of the watering-down of the Jeep brand, but it's really a majority of North Americans who simply want to buy the legend while basking in their auto-everything trail-rated vehicles. This is one of the reasons that the rest of the world has a six-speed diesel and we do not.

The KJ is a Jeep, through and through. I have owned most recent Jeep models over the years (CJ, YJ, XJ, TJ, ZJ, WJ, KJ) and the KJ is a real Jeep. It performs just as well off the road as my XJ did and much better on the road. I don't do any heavy duty rock crawling in mine, I would use my CJ or get a TJ Rubicon for that. Will it ever be a Cherokee? No, the Cherokee is legend, no doubt, just like the YJ, TJ, TK etc... will never be a CJ-5. Most people who critisize the KJ have never driven one off road or just don't like the looks of it (I actually like the looks and prefer it to the boxy XJ look and do think it looks more Jeep-like with the grille and round lights).

I'll keep the Jeep SFA's I have and keep fixing them till I can't, then we'll see.

Thank the "global" thinking Germans for prostituting the Jeep name.

It's a Jeep thing and they just don't get it...

Thanks, we had 3 Cherokees, and liked them a lot. They were great off-road, ok on, snug inside. It's still the best-looking SUV. Our first got real troublesome as it got old, hence our lease program to keep new ones. I probably would have gotten a 4th, but they were gone, and I chose a GC over a Liberty for the trunk space. Now we can fit in the smaller car. I am gone a lot on business, and it's been nice having Jeeps under warranty.

I second heavydutydan, The liberty is a capable jeep, and is nothing like the cherokee.....IF YOU WANT A CHEROKEE BUY A CHEROKEE....it just won't be BRAND SPANKING NEW. If jeep doesn't not advance the brand and appeal to more costomers in different markets it won't survive. In the mean time, hopefully jeeps next generation of vehicles will keep true to its brand name and reinvent the market.

I don't understand why people don't think the liberty is a real jeep. Despite it's "cute" appearance, the thing looks more like a jeep than the cherokee ever did, and while you "purists" out there may not like it, It is STILL the most capable SUV of that size on the market...PERIOD. Second, it's the ONLY SUV in our market that has a diesel engine..what other SUVs being built doday have that? Just because it has IFS doesnt mean it's not a Jeep. Sometimes I think "purist" is just another word for "people who can't let go of the past"

I think the Nitro would look good with a Jeep grill, better than as a Dodge, and better than a Liberty. This from a guy who just traded (lease) a 2002 GC for a new Liberty. My wife and daughter love it, it will probably fit in our downsized garage, and I have to say it drives a lot more Jeep-like, nimble and stiff, than the floaty GC. It looks pretty low up the middle, but has good clearance at the rockers. We'll see. The GC was great on the trail, but a Buick on the road. We do a lot of dirt roads and moderate trails, so I'm hope the Liberty will pass muster. We like the smaller size of the Liberty, but would like to see a more squared off shape like the Nitro.

The Liberty isn't a real Jeep anyway so it really doesn't matter.

CJ - dead, J trucks - dead, YJ - dead, MJ - dead, SJ - dead, XJ - dead, Grand Cherokee - no longer a real Jeep, ie dead, TJ slated for extinction in '07.

One by one, Jeep is being killed off. Time will tell if the '07 is a real Jeep or not. I won't be holding my breath. Gladiator is promising, but they'll probably kill it with IFS.

Jeep already makes vehicles that are not Trail Rated: two-wheel drive versions. The WK also has a 4wd version with no low range. Also not Trail Rated.

I can't figure out why someone would want a Jeep that wasn't trail rated, but they obviously do or Jeep couldn't sell them.

I thought being a Jeep meant Trail Rated. The Trail Rated is the
worst marketing concept ever and only shows that Jeep intends
to build vehicles that are NOT trail rated; therefore, not real
jeeps. Hate to break it to everyone but Jeep needs to pull a Scion
and create a new mini brand that doesn't screw with the heritage
of Jeep. I hate the idea of a non-trail capable jeep vehicle.

Why not wave to others? Did when I was driving my YJ. There's a certin recognition you get from jeep owners and those who want to be or respect Jeep as well. Besides, I don't think platform is the only thing that makes a jeep a jeep. I think the Nitro won't have the same off road performance.

I know that you did not say this Blofeld, but where are those jeep fans who were saying and hoping that DCX would use the Dodge Ram frame to make a Rescue or Gladiator? Wouldn't that just be a Dodge if the concept came to reality? I say no. The Rescue would have been made to take the Rubicon, I'm not sure a Ram would handle it the same. Now I doubt they use the Ram platform for Gladiator, but there were those of you jeep fans that hoped that DCX would.

OnlyOneJeep is an idiot as I said before.